Wednesday, January 24, 2007

The Big List of dumb things we gotta do this year

Encinitas announces top-10 list of projects

By Angela Lau

January 24, 2007

ENCINITAS – Despite worries about a potential dip in sales tax revenue and a smaller contingency reserve in the coming years, the city has decided to embark on long-awaited capital projects that include Encinitas' largest public park.

The City Council settled on 10 priority projects Monday in an informal goal-setting session. They are:

*A 43-acre park south of Santa Fe Drive and west of Interstate 5. The park's environmental review, which must be critiqued by the public and adopted by the City Council before construction can begin, is expected to be released tomorrow. The first building phase is expected to cost $19 million and will be paid for from bonds sold last year. Operating costs, estimated at $500,000 per year, have not been budgeted.

What is that sucking sound? It's the sound of all of our resources getting drained into this crazy expensive white elephant park. We all want the park, but it's mind boggling how costly this thing has become.

*The beautification of North Coast Highway 101 from A Street to La Costa Avenue in Leucadia. The cost has not been determined.

This can be done frugally and quickly. If done right it will pay for itself in no time at all as downtown Leucadia attracts more pedestrian shoppers.

*A sea wall and improved trails at Beacons Beach in Leucadia, at an undetermined cost.

This seawall is going to be trouble with a capital T. We must try to improve the bluff access with no seawall or leave Beacon's alone. I still want to see some porti-potties there and at Grandview beach too.

*A $200,000 study of Encinitas Boulevard's alignment to help the city determine how much to charge developers when they build near the east-west artery.

Wow, $200,000 for a study? I need to get in on this gravy. Developers like Michael D Pattinson are going to throw a fit when they hear about these new fess, ha-ha!

*A $20 million pedestrian crossing at the Leucadia rail tracks.

There is no freaking way in hell that every time I cross the tracks to pick up my dry cleaning in the 7-11 shopping center that it should cost $20 million. The world has gone insane. I can avoid getting hit by the train for free. A few thousand in landscaping I can understand, but $20 million? This is the kind of stuff that makes me crazy.

Improvements at Leucadia Boulevard and Vulcan Avenue that would cost $5 million. The intersection is a car length east of the railroad tracks. Deputy Mayor Jerome Stocks suggested moving the Leucadia Boulevard rail crossing farther south, where the tracks are lower and the street could be built with less incline than it currently has.

Now, this is confusing. Is this related to the above $20 million? Why do these improvements only cost $5 million while a single pedestrian crossing cost $20 million. I don't get it. Moving the intersection could work as long as it doesn't screw over the good people who live on Cadmus. We want to see traffic studies on this one.

*Sidewalks and roundabouts on Leucadia Boulevard, estimated to cost $1 million.

I decided I'm okay with the roundabouts because I drive like a little old lady from Pasadena anyway, but people are kind of flipping out about these things. I think we all like the sidewalks though. I had a lot of near death experiences when I was kid walking from the Flats to Beacon's down Leucadia Blvd. Sidewalks would have been nice.

*A downtown parking facility at a cost to be determined.

*cough* Pacific View would be a great downtown and beach overflow parking site. Anyone? Is this thing on? *cough*

*Traffic improvements near the 43-acre park near Santa Fe Drive. The cost has not been computed.

The cost has not been computed? Somebody get one of those new fangled electronic abacass asap!

*Ongoing road improvements to establish a network of routes for children to ride their bicycles or walk to school.

I thought kids got to school as single riders in big plush SUVs, sipping juice boxes while watching Finding Nemo on DVD.

Besides setting priorities, the council also decided to:

Authorize a ballot measure asking voters if they want to collect a hotel tax on vacation rental units.

I am usually against all taxes but if the hotel owners have to pay taxes then the summer renters should have to pay taxes too.

Study whether special events, such as sister-city activities, should be held by private entities to save taxpayers money. Already, the Encinitas Chamber of Commerce has offered to take over the Christmas Parade.

Will this really save us money? How?

Study whether the city should establish a permanent environmental oversight committee.

This sounds good in theory, but what are the details?

Accept an overall MainStreet “czar” – Downtown Encinitas MainStreet Association Executive Director Peder Norby – as the coordinator of downtown, Cardiff and Leucadia merchants associations.

Right now there is a certain amount of competition between downtown Encinitas, Cardiff and Leucadia. Can Norby be neutral and fair to all three downtowns?

Consider designating downtown as a historical zone.

Sounds neat-o. But, what does this mean for the ambitious high density projects that are going into downtown? What does this mean for the small business owner who wants to make improvements to his/her building? Or, is this simply installing a plaque that reads "You are standing in a historical zone"?

Post public documents on the city's Web site and consider announcing closed-session decisions more often.

Yes and yes.

Explore the formation of a construction oversight commission to ensure that the city gets the biggest bang for its buck.

Be careful of running into the law of diminishing returns here. We don't need anymore $100,000 a year jobs with fat pensions.

Consider banning or regulating commercial enterprises, such as surfing schools, at the beaches.

BAN ALL SURF SCHOOLS! LEARN TO SURF ON YOUR OWN AND STAY OUT OF THE WAY YOU YUPPIE FREAKS! Surf schools are insane. Sending a dozen novice surfers out at a time causes serious havoc in the lineup. If you don't surf you have no idea of the major tension that has been building up over the last 5 years over this.

Read the entire UT article by clicking the link at the top of the post.


  1. JP and All-

    An overwhelming majority of people who participated in the Leucadia Blvd. improvement workshops and have provided comments at the Public Hearings are in favor of the roundabouts. There are a few (and one persistent Babbler) who obviously do not like roundabouts.

    I like what Thor said- If you can't drive on a roundabout, you shouldn't be driving. You are either drunk, speeding or a Tard.

    The roundabouts will be as nice as the one on Sante Fe Avenue which will greatly improve the safety and looks of Leucadia Blvd.

  2. This single person above keeps posting about how great roundabouts are. He repeats the same comments over and over again. Hey, we got it, but we don't necessarily agree. Enough is enough. Are you a high paid consultant?

  3. Downtown parking lot- is this the one belonging to the NCTD? Why is the city paying several million dollars to improve the NCTD property?

    The Hall property sports complex - who wants a park where the majority of the grassy fields will be closed to the public for 2 or 3 months out of the year?

    Cost of roundabouts - roundabout $1,000,000 each? They're not cheap. Three roundabouts on Leucadia Blvd.-$3,000,000? How much private property will be taken? Cost of eminent domain - unknown. What is the projected yearly maintenance expense for Leucadia Blvd.? The Santa Fe Drive project yearly expenses are estimated at $50,000 for the one-tenth mile stretch of road and landcaping.
    Get the money upfront, or it may be use for another project.

  4. Anon Y. Mous,
    You my friend are a Fucking Retard!

    Ya, a lot of people shouldn't be driving, but the reality is, they are.
    Every time I drive through the roundy, I cringe, wondering if the car speeding up to it is going to stop or nail me. Several times I've had to slam on the brakes, kids screaming, juice boxes flying. Roundabouts may improve the flow of traffic, but At the cost of safety.

  5. Jon P- The feeling you described is how I feel every time I go through a 4 way stop.

    I drive the Sante Fe Roundabout daily and have had no problem. I have had problems with people blowing through the 4 way stop at Hygeia and nearly T-boning me.

    I'll take a roundabout over a 4 way stop anyday.

  6. Anonymous- Please keep posting to educate all on the facts on roundabouts as long as people like Babble keep posting non-sense.

    I too like what Thor wrote.

  7. Kahuna Bob:
    Florida transplant.
    Can surf but lacks style.
    A white man calling himself "Kahuna".
    Starts a Surf School.
    signs up to coach local school surf team, then bails off to mexico in the middle of the season with team money to fund his trip.
    Leaves his wife to coach the team.
    And she can't even surf.
    She's too fat.

  8. Lame. Lets spend a million dollars because one little old lady is scared to drive through a 4 way stop!

  9. easter island head vs nipple manJanuary 24, 2007 12:26 PM




  10. my guess is that the 20 mil for the ped crossing are for all four ped crossings not just the one in Leucadia.

    I hear they are 3 to 5 li each so the number seems to represent four rather than one.

  11. what happened to the three Mac-firestations that were supposed to be built?

    Did the fire cheif blow it and overplay his hand?

  12. Dalager brought up that we should begin with the firestation in Cardiff that the City had spent so much money on obtaining a new property.

    Phil Cotton and Bond and Stocks nixed this idea. They want to do the improvements in a certain order. They want to begin with the one already "in the works."

  13. Mike Andreen spoke at the Council meeting. He could be the person posing here as many different names who favors roundabouts. He likes his buddies to get their contracts!

    The ladies who worked the Public Info Center now by Smart & Final, the volunteers, were not in favor of the move to downtown, where parking is worse, and the place would be more difficult to find.

    The current location has plenty of parking, is right next to Cottonwood Creek Park, and the freeway exit at Encinitas Blvd.

    The move is just another status ploy by Andreen and his buddies who put out Surf City Times, before, which is nowhere to be seen, now. They were totally in support of Prop A, and Prop C, which were soundly defeated.

    Keep the Chamber of Commerce where it is now!

  14. RSF Review WeeklyJanuary 24, 2007 1:30 PM

    Rancho Santa Fe Review Weekly, 1/18/07, Vol. 21

    "Community members provide input on proposed RSF roundabouts project"

    Although funding still needs to be found for the project, San Diego County officials nonetheless hosted an open house on Jan. 9 on three roundabouts proposed for installment at varying locales along Paseo Delicias in Rancho Santa Fe.

    . . ."The question is: are there going to be signifiant impacts on the community, adjacent property owners, on the environment, on CIRCULATION, on all sorts of things from the project, and I think they (the County) will find that there are significant impacts and will need to do the EIR. I fully anticipate that it will be required," said RSF Association Planning Director Keith Behner.

    ". . .we are hearing some opposition to the project; we are hearing concerns with impacts to individual properties, things like that. We are also hearing concerns with the traffic counts that were done in the past, but we are doing a new traffic study."

    "We have just started the environmental phase, and once we complete that, which will be in another year to 16 months, then we will look for construction funding and make sure the community is still in support of the project and, if it is, then we will move forward with construction."

  15. The RSF association is a covenant. They call the planning directors the jury. You just want to call people names and ignore the points they bring up, hater.

    You accuse one person of making all the posts that oppose two or more roundabouts on Leucadia Blvd. Money is not the only issue, but we do want to get the most bang for our buck, as JP says.

    We should not start the bidding on this in Encinitas until the traffic circulation study is released, including comparing number of accidents at the Santa Fe roundabout before its construction and after. Included would be the number of accidents involving injury. This is not babble, these issues are addressing the specifics of whether roundabouts would be traffic calming, or lead to more back ups.

    The Rancho Santa Fe News, part of Coast News Group, also had an article about the roundabouts in last Friday's paper where people were bringing up concerns about pedestrian and equestrian safety.

    You can't dismiss the issues and the questions by just calling names, hater.

  16. When and where were the Leucadia Blvd. improvement workshops held? Why weren't more Leucadia residents notified about the roundabouts?

  17. Thor = Fonda hater = Martens hater = Jack = Ann S. = same lobbyist that is pro roundabouts.

    You are obvious, dude.

  18. I think the the railroad pedestrian crossings should come before the roundabouts, for sure.

    Roundabouts should not have received a negative impact dec, if they did.

  19. Jon P. don't know you, but why the rip on Kahuna Bob? Bob's a good dude who volunteers plenty of time to help kids on various surf teams and a lot more.

    Decaf dude, decaf.

  20. Everything I said is true.
    Everything I said labels him a kook.
    At least in my book.
    Why the burn?
    Read his comment.

  21. Another great string of disliking roundabouts by Babble.

    Just know babble and Jon P.- there are many in Leucadia that favor the roundabouts and you are not making any friends by attacking planned improvements in Leucadia.

    Let’s see who shows up at Council tonight and speak against the roundabouts. We finally get to see the identity of Babble. Stay tuned.

  22. I don't understand this whole "babble" thing. What did I miss?

  23. JP-One person posting numerous comments in a row with no common sense or facts= Babble talk. Check the times of the comments. Most of the time the author of the posts are the same person (possibly with multiple personalities) =Babble.

  24. So where are the facts from the people that "like" roundabouts?

  25. Buteo- Check the past post about roundabouts. I dislike repeating myself as much as I dislike people who disrespect Leucadia.

  26. The whole roundabout thing has caused me think in circles.

    We came together as a city because we were less than pleased by the dumping attitude of the county. That was a time that if you had 5k (or a prostitute) you could get Paul Eckert, our supervisor, to vote your way on anything.

    The five communities were necessary to achieve a critical mass (lafco) to become a city. I think that critical mass is still needed today.

    That brings me to the circle part:

    First it was the city services and the El Camino Real corridor that got the attention. That attention and expenditures were possible because of the property values along the coast that the new city of Encinitas was able to spend inland.

    Next it was downtown, those improvements were made possible by the new sales tax revenue of the Encinitas Ranch and the El Camino Real corridor.

    Now, and the next five years, it’s Leucadia’s turn, those projects are made possible by the generation of property tax and sales tax generated by downtown and the Encinitas Ranch.

    I have no doubt in the future, improvements to Cardiff and the El Camino Real corridor will be made possible by the Leucadia corridor property tax and hotel tax.

    My simple point is that we are all making it better. It’s Leucadia’s turn at the wheel for the near future.

    California has 33 million people and most of those folks (us) live in the bottom third of the state, along the coast.

    It’s difficult to lock the doors and say stay away. Its possible to say here’s what we want when you come to our town, or drive through.

    We have the right, and I think the obligation to control traffic and calm traffic as it comes through our city.

    Reduce the lanes, the lane width, and most importantly the speed.

    And finally, don’t pick on other areas of the city, but thank them for helping Leucadia.


  28. Long Time LeucadianJanuary 25, 2007 7:29 AM

    Excellent intelligent post! Thanks.

    I fully agree with your comments.

  29. In a round about way you all are entertaining, Just think circles O O O . Three for leucadia yea.

    jON p. Are you the pot calling the kettle black. You seem to be the ___ moron.

  30. I want a main surf school blog post. I've emailed the blogger no less than 3 times asking for a blog posting about kahuna bob and the rest of the surf schools that are ruining the quality of life for north county surfers. Kahuna bob is a lowlife who should not be around your kids.

  31. The 20 million dollar cost listed for the crossing is obviously a typo or mental goof by the reporter for the UT. The cost is probably 2 million.

  32. Anonymous above,
    Please explain, Just how am I "the pot calling the kettle black"?

  33. set the record straightJanuary 25, 2007 9:18 AM

    Jon P

    you accuse other people of being a fucking retard when it is obvious to most readers you are a moron. Hench you are the pot calling the kettle black.

  34. You have to admit, the roundabouts are kinda gay.

  35. Thanks for setting the record straight.

    I thought this comment was rather moronic:
    "If you can't drive on a roundabout, you shouldn't be driving. You are either drunk, speeding or a Tard."

    Oh yea, learn to spell.

  36. The person accusing others of posting multiple comments, then labeling them "Babble" is really the one doing it himself, using different names, but usually anonymous.

    Thank you, anonymous, for the sensible longer post, which JP has posted as the "main deal." Excellent!

    I just talked to a young mom who said the roundabout at Lego Land in Carlsbad is horrific; people don't yield to let the side streets in.

  37. The one at Lego land was not designed properly.

    Babble – That’s funny, I just talked with 23 moms who love the roundabout in Carlsbad. Like- we really believe babble talk.

    Thank God, our City had an expert on roundabouts on board. The ones on Leucadia will work as well as the one on Sante Fe.

    I'll take a "gay" roundabout (I think that look nice), over a dangerous, inefficient and ugly 4 way stop or signal any day.

  38. work? What is their intended function?

    I might see why one at hygia is a good idea, but why do we need three?

  39. work? What is their intended function?

    I might see why one at hygia is a good idea, but why do we need three?

    please don't babble a response, just educate us.

  40. This is an excellant site on Roundabouts the history and performance.

    What do you think?

    Roundabout Safety Comes to America

    The superior safety record of modern roundabouts is well-known in Western Europe and in most British-influenced countries around the globe. Still, many in North America question whether drivers who are unfamiliar with this type of intersection can safely adapt to it.

    But many American highway engineers have become advocates for modern roundabouts, and they are designing and building roundabouts to reduce accidents and increase capacity. Modern roundabouts have recently been built in California, Colorado, Florida, Maryland, Nevada, and Vermont. (1-4) Additional modern roundabouts are proposed for freeway interchanges in Maryland and California, and one modern roundabout interchange was built this summer on Interstate Highway 70 in Colorado.

    This article takes a look at the roundabout accident experience of America, which began building modern roundabouts in 1990, and of some European countries, where as recently as five years ago modern roundabouts were relatively new. But first ...

    What Is a Modern Roundabout?
    The era of modern roundabouts began in the United Kingdom in 1956 with the construction of the first "yield-at-entry" roundabouts. In 1966, a nationwide yield-at-entry rule launched the modern roundabout revolution. Australia and most other British-influenced countries soon built modern roundabouts. Countries such as the United States, where people drive on the right side of the road, were slower to follow, but many of these countries have been rapidly catching up. For example, roundabouts have greatly increased in number in France since the adoption of the yield-at-entry rule on national routes in 1983.

    Yield-at-entry is the most important operational element of a modern roundabout, but it is not the only one. Deflection of the vehicle path and entry flare are also important characteristics that distinguish the modern roundabout from the nonconforming traffic circle, which does not have these characteristics. (See side bar page 48). Other features include splitter islands at all approaches (to control entry speed and deter left turns), good sight distance, good lighting, good signing, no crosswalks across the circulatory roadway, yield lines downstream of the pedestrian crossings, and no parking in the roundabout.

    All of these design characteristics must be met for a traffic circle to qualify as a modern roundabout. For example, figure 1 illustrates changing an old traffic circle to conform to a roundabout design by installing yield signs at all entries and forcing a deflection at the northern entry to the circle.

    Roundabouts are designed in different sizes to serve various objectives and conditions. Even mini-roundabouts (with a diameter of 25 meters or less) are effective at reducing speed and improving safety. Small to medium roundabouts are 25 to 40 m in diameter. The larger roundabouts (with a diameter greater than 40 m) provide greater separation of traffic and a higher capacity.

    Why Are Roundabouts Safer?
    The primary characteristics of the modern roundabout reduce many of the safety hazards of traditional intersections and nonconforming traffic circles.

    The physical configuration of a modern roundabout, with a deflected entry and yield-at-entry, forces a driver to reduce speed during the approach, entry, and movement within the roundabout. This is contrary to an intersection where many drivers are encouraged by a green or yellow light to accelerate to get across the intersection quickly and to "beat the red light" and contrary to old traffic circles where tangent approaches also encourage, or at least allow, high-speed entries.

    Another important safety factor is that the only movement at an entry and an exit of a roundabout is a right turn, thus reducing the potential frequency and severity of accidents compared to accidents typically occurring during left turns and when traffic crosses an intersection in perpendicular directions.

    Modern Roundabouts Spread
    DeAragao reported on the history of roundabouts. It is thought that one-way circular intersections were invented by a French architect, Eugene Henard, in 1877.(5) During the same period, the American architect William Eno was also proposing his plan for small circles to alleviate traffic congestion in New York City. Since the adoption of a yield-at-entry regulation in 1966 by Great Britain and in 1983 by France, there has been overwhelming interest and research in roundabouts because of the simplicity of their design and operation and particularly because of their safety.

    Enthusiasm for the safety and high capacity of roundabouts has resulted in a huge increase in the number of roundabouts. By contrast, as growing traffic demand causes nonconforming traffic circles to fail, they are converted to other types of intersections.

    The Netherlands experienced spectacular growth of roundabouts beginning in the late 1980s.(6) In only six years, approximately 400 roundabouts were built. The reasons given are: a drastic reduction in serious crashes; lower driving speeds through the roundabouts; improved pedestrian crossing facilities; elimination of the need for traffic signals, thus reducing the costs of maintenance and enforcement; and high capacity more than 2,000 motor vehicles and several hundred bicycles and mopeds per hour in one-lane roundabouts.

    Norway installed yield signs at the entries of all roundabouts in 1985, thus improving traffic flow and reducing accidents.(7) The number of roundabouts in Norway increased to 500 in 1992 (about one roundabout per 8,000 persons) from 350 in 1990.(8) In 1980, there were only 15 roundabouts in Norway.

    Switzerland adopted the yield-at-entry rule in 1987. (7) The number of Swiss roundabouts grew to 220 in early 1992 from 19 in 1980. (6) Five hundred roundabouts were under study in 1992.

    By 1987, more than 500 roundabouts had been built in the Brittany and western regions of France. Thereafter, new yield-at-entry roundabouts started "popping up" everywhere in France in new construction and in changing signalized intersections. In 1991, the growth of implementation was at the rate of 1,000 roundabouts per year.

    Accidents Fall as Roundabouts Spread to America
    The first modern American roundabouts were built in the spring of 1990 in Summerlin, a rapidly growing planned community on the west side of Las Vegas. (See figures 2 and 3.) With rapid growth of the surrounding community, daily traffic has increased from very low flows to about 7,000 vehicles in the north roundabout and to about 11,000 vehicles in the south roundabout. Only four accidents have been reported at the two roundabouts over their five-year history.

    The first modern roundabout on the California state highway system was installed by the city of Santa Barbara in October 1992. The roundabout replaced an intersection of five two-lane streets regulated by stop signs. The old intersection averaged four accidents per year. Since installation of the roundabout, accidents have averaged 2.1 per year, with only five accidents reported in a 28-month period.(2)

    Maryland's first roundabout was built in April 1993 in Lisbon. The 31.5 -mdiameter roundabout replaced a lightly traveled four-leg intersection regulated by a flashing beacon. The former intersection had averaged eight accidents with eight personal injuries per year.(1) Two accidents occurred in the first three months after construction of the roundabout, resulting in two personal injuries. For the following 21 months, there were no reported accidents.

    Unlike nonconforming traffic circles, which often permit traffic to enter tangentially at speed, modern roundabouts deflect and slow entering traffic. At this roundabout in England, in the year before it was converted to a roundabout, there were eight serious injury accidents and two fatalities; in the year after conversion, there were no serious injury accidents.

    The California Department of Transportation (Caltrans) converted the old nonconforming Long Beach traffic circle to a modern roundabout on June 30, 1993. (See figure 4.) Yield signs, stripes, and legends were added to all entries, which were widened to three and four lanes. The circulatory roadway was opened to one unstriped lane 11 m wide in front of the three-lane entries and 15 m wide in front of the four-lane entries. Accidents fell 36 percent compared to the average rate of the previous three years. Accidents with injuries fell 20 percent.

    Accidents Fall as Roundabouts Spread to Other Countries
    Around the world, accident rates are falling as roundabouts spread.

    The Netherlands achieved a 95-percent reduction in injuries to vehicle occupants as many conventional intersections were replaced by modern roundabouts.(10)

  41. If you read this spam post by Aceti, Andreen or Marvin, probably, someone who support massive expenditures/development by the City, you will see it is not pertinent to the specific circumstances, the smaller radius, the curved road and sloping street of Leucadia Blvd.

    What would be pertinent rather than a bunch of opinions unsupported by facts or actual evidence, would be the before and after Santa Fe Roundabout accident reports, and the overall City traffic circulation report.

    Bidding should not begin before this has been before the Coastal Commission. When the City is the developer, private individuals should not be required to pay a $250.00 fee to appeal an appointed Planning Commission decision. This should still come before Council, not just as a consent item to accept a bid.

  42. Hey Lynn Braun-

    You seem like you have a sweet heart, but you really have to get more educated about City Govenment and the issues. Your Clueless.

  43. Get a clue, yourself, cowardJanuary 26, 2007 12:50 PM

    Last anonymous, you are a coward and part of the problem of our city government.

    You operate best under a veil of deceit, staying off the issues and attacking those that have the courage to ask questions, to distract and to crush those who would participate with your arrogant, factually incorrect "opinions."

    Get a clue yourself. Learn how to spell, while you're at it.

  44. What's up with all the "learn to spell" comments? I have been reading this blog since it started, and the spelling has always been almost as bad as the grammar, usage, and punctuation. If I see one more "then" for "than," I'm going to puke. Strunk and White's The Elements of Style, my friends - or freinds, as y'all like to write it.

  45. You are clueless, SLAM = cyber bully = Stocks, Long, Andreen and/or Marvin.

    SLAM, there you go again, distracting with personal attacks rather than actually addressing the questions raised:

    1. Why no E.I.R. for the roundabouts as required in Rancho Santa Fe?

    2. Why can't we have more sidewalks and not more roundabouts?

    3. How could a one lane, too small radius roundabout work when the Fire Chief has recommended that it would be a public safety hazard?

    4. How could a roundabout help pedestrian safety? It is the sidewalks and railroad crossing that would promote pedestrian safety, not the roundabouts.

    5. Why didn't we wait for the city wide traffic circulation report rather than to plunge into more expensive capital improvements?

    6. Since we did a one year interim study of the red light cameras, why couldn't we do the same type of study, reporting accidents before and after the construction of the Santa Fe Roundabout before proceeding with more?

    7. Why can't we look at the Carlsbad Roundabout for its traffic accident statistics rather than roundabouts in other states and countries, based on biased web link reports, often provided by developers and contractors with a high density traffic mitigation agenda?
    Ok, SLAM/coward. There are seven questions, not hype, not personality attacks. Please answer each question and leave your patronizing phony baloney out of it.

    You definitely don't have a clue or a grip on anything, except maybe the dollar signs in your scheming lies.




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