Monday, December 17, 2007

Adam Kaye's L101 tree article



More Leucadia trees identified for removal

By: ADAM KAYE- North County Times

ENCINITAS
- After years of decline, more and more of Leucadia's historic eucalyptus trees are dying, and their demise could damage the look of the quaint seaside town, some residents say.

At least seven of the tall and twisted trees that tower over the railroad tracks and North Coast Highway 101 are dead and recommended for removal.

The felling of those trees and seven others could begin as soon as next week, according to the North County Transit District. Nearly 10 others trees should be watched closely because their roots show signs of decay, a transit district report says.

The sinuous trees unfurl their limbs above the coast highway, creating a bushy, green canopy that some residents say is a signature of their community.

As gaps in the canopy grow wider and wider, activists have renewed their call for Encinitas to adopt a tree management policy that would ensure new trees are planted when old ones are removed.

"All I'm seeing is more trees going away and I'm not seeing anything actually being replaced," said Russell Levan, a former Parks and Recreation Commission member. "It's of extreme concern to me. We're quickly losing the entire canopy along the coast highway and trees in general all over the city."

Policy in the works

While community members cling dearly to the trees, a report commissioned by the transit district states that some of them must go.

The report - conducted by Oceanside-based Arborist Consulting Service - examines the health of nearly 60 blue gum eucalyptus trees along the railroad right of way between La Costa Avenue and Basil Street.

At least 13 of the trees have been removed since 2003, the report states. It adds that the city's work on storm drains and sewer lines in the area may have undermined the health of the trees.

Encinitas officials said they are now looking for ways to save or replace the trees and still make sure the city's infrastructure needs are being met.

The city's public works director, Larry Watt, said last week that his department is reviewing existing tree policies and regulations and will bring a tree management program to the City Council for review next month.

The policy must balance the aesthetic quality of trees with the government's need to provide public utilities such as storm drains and sewer lines, said Mayor Jerome Stocks.

Stocks, the city's delegate to the transit district's board of directors, added that the agency knows that Encinitas values its trees but that its priority is to keep the railway safe.

A host of ailments

In 2003, a mature tree fell on the tracks in Leucadia, said Tom Kelleher, a transit district spokesman. A resident reported it and no damage to trains or passengers resulted, although some trains travel at 90 mph through that stretch, he said.

The transit district began its survey of Leucadia's trees shortly thereafter, Kelleher said.

A report issued in October recommends removing at least seven trees and trimming and monitoring several others that show evidence of decay, including:

- Decay conk, a fruiting or spore that grows fungi that resembles a mushroom.

- Epicormic shoots, which grow from stems and branches, often as a result of stress.

- Sulfur fungus, which indicates rot that can extend to the heartwood.

- Kino, a reddish-brown, gummy substance eucalyptus trees produce to avert invasions of pathogens.

A tough year for trees

The report does not address replacing the trees identified for removal.

Kelleher said the transit district has no plans to plant new trees but would work with the city or any community group willing to bear the cost of planting trees and maintaining them.

Replacement trees must not interfere with railroad operations, he said, and also must be native to Southern California.

That means no more eucalyptus, which originate from Australia.

In addition to the eucalyptus trees felled or identified for removal along the railroad corridor, other mature trees have met chain saws elsewhere in the city.

In March, high winds toppled a 60-foot-tall eucalyptus tree on South Coast Highway 101 at J Street, causing minor injuries and damaging three cars in the Hansen Surfboards parking lot.

A landmark cypress tree was removed from Leucadia Roadside Park in April after an arborist's report deemed it unsafe. It was replaced with a cypress sapling.

At the same park, two other large trees were removed in October - one of them mistakenly.

That came one month after city-contracted crews in September removed two tall eucalyptus trees on North Coast Highway 101 at Phoebe Street.

Around that time, a private developer felled another big one along Vulcan Avenue at Ashbury Street.


'A signature of Leucadia'

Stocks said the replanting of trees should have started years ago.

"What I'd like to see is a logical sequence of plantings, so as the trees go through their life spans, we would have a regular planting of replacements so we don't have this sort of barren period of time," Stocks said.


Leucadia Town Council's president, Rachelle Collier, said she wants to see a policy to substantiate the remarks of city officials.

"There just has to be an urban tree policy," Collier said. "Once again, it's the double speak of 'We want to recanopy Highway 101,' then, once every three months, we lose more trees and none of them are replanted."

According to local lore, English spiritualists planted Leucadia's trees in the late 1880s to create an open-air temple. The temple included rows of cypress, eucalyptus and pine trees.

"To me," Collier said, "the tree canopy is a signature of Leucadia."

119 comments:

  1. Lets see Whos a tree hugger and who's a developer hugger?

    I don't know, lets ask Jerry?

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  2. Remember who badly wanted Leucadia to be blighted. Jerome and Danny are two. Developers with friends on the council would have loved a redevelopment district. Redevelopment agencies micromanage, have extra powers, and subsidize developers.

    Thanks again to all those people who fought off a redevelopment district!

    Check out http://www.redevelopment.com/norby/toc.htm

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  4. Some Typos just can't be overlooked. What I meant to say was;

    Thanks for the link anon 6:03. The information will prove very useful in the year ahead.

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  5. I agree. Great Link and information about Redevelopment. Its the fastest way to make us look like Vista By the Sea.

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  6. What kind of trees are drought tolerant, easy to take care of and provide a good canopy for the coast highway?

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  7. Use the 101 for work only!!December 18, 2007 9:28 AM

    Why the lack of trees posting has turned into a anti-redevelopment blog is beyond me but if this is what you want so be it!!!
    Anyone that arrives from outside of San Diego looks at Leucadia and can't help but wonder what's wrong?? Blight is a kind word, more like a beach ghetto if you ask me. Sure the addition of a few feet of sidewalk make traversing the 101 easier but does anyone really think this town is going to amount to anything decent any time soon?? Perhaps in another 50 years, but that will be only after all other spots in the city will be completed and the city has remodeled the library a couple of more times.
    I see Leucadia achieving it's potential about the same time as the city finishing the Hall Park, about 50 years!!!
    Until then I'll continue to avoid Leucadia like the plague it is and only use the 101 to get from my home in Carlsbad to my job in San Diego.
    P.S.- My sister lives in Leucadia and loves it, but she is the black sheep of the family and has been institutionalized several times.

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  8. Well, The article says the trees must be native to Southern California. So, Torrey Pines, Coast Live Oaks, Cypress, California Sycamore. Anything else? I like the big Sycamores planted down El Camino Real in Encinitas. Those, with a mixture of the other trees would look nice in my opinion.

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  9. I think Gil said he had some Torrey Pines we could have for no charge. Perhaps we could plant those or would that work?

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  10. beach ghetto if you ask me -> thanks to lax development codes, lax planning processes, and then purposeful neglect by the council who wanted Leucadia to ROT, BECAUSE THEY wanted a redevelopment district.

    That is why redev is relevant.

    Leucadia is only getting some TLC and attention now because Leucadia locals got organized and are on the war path going into an election year.

    Ask David Meyer and Doug Harwood how blighted Leucadia is!

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  11. Doesn't the City have an arborist or several on staff? I'm not sure about this, but it leads to them cutting down WAY too many trees. And an "arborist" is just a fancy word for a tree "hacker-downer." A botanist has a degree. An arborist has a title and an axe, a saw, a hatchet.

    This is one service that the City should CAREFULLY hire out to qualified contractors, AFTER a botanist or tree preservationist has been consulted.

    It's also shameful what the City did to our historic Leucadia Roadside Park. But good article by Adam Kaye on our rapidly losing our beloved canopy. I wonder why Adam didn't follow up on the Brown Act meeting, or after the Police Intimidation ordinance's second reading failed?

    Too bad, so sad. That environmental committee that is being formed needs to come up with some tree protection suggestions. Many other cities do enact ordinances to protect established trees. In many areas here our view is our trees!

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  12. get real people, they are just trees.

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  13. Just trees?

    No trees on L101 then Leucadia looks like a giant craphole. Does that matter? We now have tree, dirt, and temporary sidewalks. We could end up with dirt and temporary sidewalks.

    If you own in Leucadia you care and those trees keep your property value up.

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  14. Cool- We keep the people who are dumb enough to buy a box in Carlsbad from coming to Leucadia. Perfect.

    Lets stick a 3 way stop at La Costa, so they take I5 and don't cut through our town. Only people who want to visit our cool shops on HW101 are welcome. The rest Go AROUND on I5.

    I'll take a half baked Leucadian over a Carlsbad wantabe richy rich dweeb anyday.

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  15. Use the 101 for work only!!December 18, 2007 4:29 PM

    You can plant all the trees you want.. it won't stop me from using 101 to get to my job!!

    And trees won't save Leucadia from being blighted nor ghetto!!

    Encinitas city officials have their heads to far up their asses to be able to SAVE Leucadia!!

    Keep the 101 open to traffic!!

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  16. One day Leucadia will have an opportunity to rethink 101 as it passes through town. I predict there will be sections of meandering single lane with roundabouts and other traffic calming elements. Perhaps parking will be added on the East side with safe crosswalks.

    We can then take back our town from cut through traffic. We must present that as a priority to the council when the budget is discussed.

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  17. leftcoast has the vision.

    Run for Council, your sure to win.

    The Leucadia Vision is alive and well. Its time to implement.

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  18. mr kelleher/transit district requiring that the trees be native to southern califorria makes it difficult to reforest the area. there are many fine trees that could be planted but socal natives is tougher. socal is a desert. most of the fast growing canopy producing native trees grew in areas where some water was available, like along streams. for those to be used on 101 they might work in areas where it floods but if the flooding gets fixed this lifetime then they would need irrigation. the coastal oak is a nice tree but 'sudden oak death' is going to migrate south during the next 20 years just about the time the trees get to a significant size. imho there needs to be a mix of cal natives where the conditions are right with some non native but drought tolerant trees as well. the torrey is a nice tree but does not always take well to pruning and pruning is a consideration along a traffic corridor. Cupressus arizonica has value as well as lynothemanthus and prunus ilicifolia(lyonii) but they would not form the type of canopy that exists now. if someone smarter than i can develop the right attractive mix i certainly would grow them for the citizens if im still kicking. rhus lancea, geijera parv. are tough drought tolerant trees but not native. there are quite a few smaller under-story native trees and shrubs but they just won't do the canopy thing.

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  19. I hope Use the 101 for work only!! gets to work before he has to go through the 3 soon to be 4 lights in Encinitas.

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  20. I for one could care less if the trees are native. Plant a tree with recycled irrigation. Its not like any of us including the Mexicans are natives. We are all transplants are require water. Plant trees that will establish a large canopy.

    I don't see any of the new subdivisions over the last 15 years conditioning projects for native only landscaping with no irrigation.

    get real. plant trees and water them (with recycled water). otherwise at best you'll have an area that looks like Torry Pines, but more likely the scrub brush that is in Indian Head.

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  21. They planted the new trees in Leucadia Roadside park today!

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  22. Re-planted 2 trees. ;)

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  23. let all of Leucadia go back to its natural state. It would be prettier than the old run down blighted area it is now.

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  24. Recycled water is only available in limited areas thus far. Hwy 101 does not have any piping at this time.

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  25. Use the 101 for work only!!December 19, 2007 9:31 AM

    Some days I time it just right and am able to race the train as it travels through Leucadia. I/we hit over 70mph!! Wheeeeee!! But I won't go over 70 with the kids in the backseat!!! Although they always tell me, faster daddy, faster!! I've never been stopped by the sheriff nor is there any reason to slowdown. If you are on a side street trying to pull on to the 101....to bad!!! Stay out of my way!!!
    KEEP THE 101 OPEN TO TRAFFIC!!!

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  26. No the the Walgreen projectDecember 19, 2007 9:37 AM

    Tomorrow the Planning Commission will consider approving a shoehorned project, the Walgreen Drug Store at the corner of Encinitas Blvd. and El Camino Real. The planners have calculated a lower number of parking spaces than is required, and the height of the pad for the building will increase the building height above 30 feet. Additionally, the city wants to add another lane to El Camino Real to give a variance to the property owner. The planning department (Planning Director Murphy)and planners Kerry Kusiak and Kelly Morgan are recommending (urging) that the Commission approve the Walgreen store. Patrick Murphy refuses to renotice the project.

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  27. What business are they going to close to put a Walgreen's at Encinitas and ECR. The last blogger should get their facts straight. Put the store in it will save us a trip up to ECR when we need to get a prescription filled.

    Why the Walgreen's in a business district will effect anyone is beyond me.

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  28. it will be very difficult to shoehorn another lane in on ECR. the CC have been very clear that they will not allow the destruction of the reparian/runoff area on the west side. don't shoot the messenger.

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  29. since we are suing carlsbad over the ponto development maybe part of the settlement could be providing a source of recycled water for the leucadia 101 area in addition to major traffic impact mitigation..

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  30. Recycled water is serving the new Leucadia Boulevard Improvements, the Downtown Encinitas Landscaping and Cottonwood Creek Park. Its not a big deal to put a recycled water pipe in HW101. It will be done with any new streetscape project. hence, we can non natives with large green canopies.

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  31. I repeat there is no recycled water on 101. The line only goes to the west side of I-5 at the Hall property. It goes west on Normandy in Leucadia to Pireaus,west on Union St. from Saxony to the dead end on east side of I-5,Saxony at Encinitas Blvd. The Cal-Trans meters are located on Saxony Rd. Do research before making uneducated assertions.

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  32. The Walgreen Drugstore will be adjacent to the Bank of America on the northwest corner of El Camino Real and Encinitas Blvd. To "shoehorn the project in" is the right description. Kerry Kusiak's presence on the project guarantees it is problematic. He is Patrick Murphy's chosen boy to push all the bad projects through. Kusiak learned nothing when he took the required ethics classes. Too bad.

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  33. Anon. All arborists are not tree companies looking to cut down trees. I am a consulting arborist. I do not get paid to cut down trees. I get paid to give my professional opinion and description of said trees, whether it be to save it or to take it down due to safety reasons. I want trees here! I can't imagine it without them. But if they must come down, they must be replaced! Now. thanks

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  34. sorry- i like kerry and i like patrick. that doesn't mean i like all their projects but someone has to do the grunt work, whom would you prefer? i believe the variance allows the lot to be split. i don't know about the parking or height but i do know it is another decent tax revenue generator. what is the unethical part?

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  35. On Wednesday, Dec. 5, a large northwest swell swept its way out of the Bering Sea and down the West Coast of the United States, and the surf break at Swami's in Encinitas became a case study in the effects of surfing's population boom.
    As waves double overhead and larger raked the coastline, Swami's was one of the few spots in San Diego where the surf remained rideable. According to lifeguards, 60-80 surfers on average were in the water at any given time, with higher maximums. Two lifeguard jet skis buzzed around the break. News helicopters flew a pattern over the lineup. Cars jockeyed for position on the bluff above the ocean. Traffic on Coast Highway and Vulcan Avenue slowed to a crawl. In the parking lot, energy drink companies hired girls to promote their products.


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    Veteran surfers found the scene Orwellian.
    “It seems like on Big Wednesday, all the stuff that I chronically complain about in modern surfing – overcrowding; greed; narcissism; cheap, poorly designed surfboards from China – all came to a boiling point at Swami's,” says Leucadia resident J.P. St. Pierre, a lifelong local who's been surfing the break since his youth.

    St. Pierre is not alone. Many surfers, particularly those who have been surfing in the county for decades, feel that major swell events highlight the changing face of surf culture.

    “It forces us to let those swells go by,” said Brian Szymanski, 40, of Encinitas, who's been surfing Swami's since he was young. “It's just gotten ridiculously crowded and out of control.”

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  36. Gil,

    That is just too much not to challenge you on. What changed in your mind about the work ethic of Murphy and Kerry?

    Who else you ask? If they ever open up the director of planning position for an open application process I have five names ready. One of them currently works for the City of Encinitas.

    I ask again, what changed?

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  37. Recycled water, the purple pipe is in place all the way down to 7/11 on Leucadia Blvd. I'm not sure what size of pipe needed to irrigate the Hwy 101 but the pipe is in the ground.
    The roundabouts also work quite well looking forward to seeing the landscape water by that purple pipe.

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  38. As one eye says, the purple pipe is in, just hook it up. Not a big deal to continue it another 100 yards to the west. We have the recycled water, lets use it for a big green canopy.

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  39. You can thank Jerome and all his fond developer cronies for pumping as many wantabe surfers into the line up, the roadways, beaches and your parks.

    All Jerome and friends cares about is pure profit baby at the expense of every existing resident.

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  40. Gil: Go back and review the Sheridan/Andrew project in Leucadia. This is classic Murphy & Kusiak mischief. There were encroachments on the public right-of-way, phony calculations on the sewer slope to justify raising the pad heights 3 to 5 feet, and questions about how the low income density bonus house would fit on the lot. Contaminated soil was supposed to have further testing. It was never done. The city allowed imported soil to be brought in without proper oversight.

    Once the neighbors organized to fight the irregularities, Diane Langager, the original planner on the project, was replaced by Kerry Kusiak. Surprise!! Kusiak stated in the appeal that everything was done correctly. It wasn't. Murphy never satisfactorily answered why the building heights were measured from the finished pad height instead of the natural grade, as is required by code unless there is discussion. There wasn't any discussion. Murphy thought he could sneak it through without anyone realizing it. Murphy is still doing a fast dance to try to satisty David Meyer and Barratt American on the low income home. And the case is still in the courts. All of this points to ethical deficiencies.

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  41. Heard it here first. A prediction, now that you mention David Meyer and Barratt American. There will be a pitch in 2008 to purchase the Quail Gardens Drive site by these guys. Jerry will frame it as good for the City to divest itself of expensive land so the city might carry on with other adventures. And finally, the city will get screwed as usual because they sold it too cheap without proper advise.

    After watching the Planning Commission extend the Tentative Parcel Map that was processed by Carltas 3 years ago, and due to expire, I just think something is up.

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  42. Purple pipe is indeed the requirement for reclaimed water however as previously pointed out it is not available west of I-5 yet.

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  43. Why doesn't the guy who keeps posting that reclaimed water goes down Leucadia Blvd. call the San Elijo Treatment plant and confirm his arguement?

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  44. Email the planning commission - No on the Walgreens project.

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  45. If it doesn't go west of I5, it could easily. Connect the purple pipe a few hundred yards East of I5to the existing pipe West of I5. This should not be a big deal. Geeze - The leaders in this City have to be smarter than that, don't they?

    Is Cottonwood Park irrigated by recycled and if not why not?

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  46. I personally could care less if Walgreens is on ECR. It doesn't sound like an issue to me. Why should we care?

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  47. Previous anti posters please explain to anon 1037 what your issue is. Does it have to do anything with public infrastructure? That matters to everyone? Will they not have enough parking and then 5 years later ask the taxpayers to build them a parking lot?

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  48. Jeff, thanks for your post, and all posters, thanks for your opinions and info.

    I'm glad that all arborists are not just out to hack down trees. But when one arborist says, "that tree is a liability," why are others not consulted? Can we PLEASE have a second opinion?? Can you give an example where a particular tree that the City or a developer wanted removed was SAVED after an a city hired arborist examined it and investigated the actual threat of harm to anyone?

    I wish instead of having an unnecessary firetruck that has a ladder for ten story buildings, our City could have a water truck. We could suck up some recycled water and once or twice a week water those areas that have been recently planted, while we figure out how to get the pipes connected on North Coast Hwy. 101.

    In my opinion, Patrick Murphy is not to be trusted. He is inconsistent in his treatment of people, depending upon what their connections are. And, contrary to the State Supreme Court, he uses his "unfettered discretion" to improperly apply the law, as he sees fit, whatever his reasons are for doing so.

    Patrick Murphy left the employ of the City of Encinitas, before, and then was hired back. I think he's a frustrated artist, because he does have some talent in that field. I wish he would not let his bitterness cloud his judgment. He needs to treat everyone fairly, and to be honest. Lately, he rarely speaks at Council Meetings.

    I can imagine why.

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  49. Let Patrick show his land use planning skills on the HW101 streetscape. The landuse is High density and supposedly a "smartgrowth" area.

    If the traffic lane configuration is not changed and cut through traffic greatly decreased, the areas character will not change and the whole effort will be a total waste of time and money.

    Go Patrick prove your worth!

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  50. I support selling the quail Gardens property and it better be to the highest bidder. Put it on the market and leave it open to the bids. Zone it Commercial to make up for the lost commercial taxes from Mossy commercial being used for our Public Works Yard.

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  51. Purple piping for reclaimed water runs west of I-5 on Santa Fe Drive to the Vulcan/San Elijo intersection. It was installed for the roundabout and streetscaping. Wasn't this done for the Leucadia roundabouts? If it wasn't, our city blew it big time.

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  52. When the Planning Commission extended the expiring permits for the Quail Gardens property, David Meyer was standing in the back of the room watching intently. Sheila Cameron spoke, warning the PC that if the city sells the property and it goes to auction, someone could buy it very cheaply. The situation seems ripe for big time shenanigans at the public expense, if the sale isn't done in full public view with open bidding from various buyers.

    We all know that David Meyer gets special treatment from Jerome Stocks and Patrick Murphy. Here we go again.

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  53. It's been said that someone's brainstorm a few years back to place the new library on Quail Gardens Dr. had this ulterior motive in mind: to create yet another business district corridor through Encinitas. The upzoning change for a new library would have been the first foot in the door. I'm inclined to believe that rumor.

    I agree that it was a mistake our city made paying 10 million for the Mossy property AND in that process kissing over 100 g's per year from Mossy's tax base bye bye. But I don't think Quail Garden's Drive residents want Dave's Botanical Mile-o-Cars moving in anytime soon. And maybe it's just me, but I'm pretty sure even more people don't want the city selling off our open space as a solution to mitigate recent multi-million dollar debts.

    The Encinitas Ranch was to be (and should be) the cure-all, for keeping our city in the black. That worked for a few years. But it looks like the trend is moving away from that to borrowing more money than we have and maybe building more business districts so the debt could be paid back later. (As if that could ever happen). Vicious circle, huh?

    But to get everyone back on subject, it's good to see some mitigation happening for the lost trees at Temple Grove etc.

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  54. Fred has a good point.

    We always here how development is going to be this great revenue source and we will never have to worry again.

    So why is it after the Encinitas Ranch was developed that the city is so strained to stay afloat?

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  55. I heard that Encinitas Ranch provides 30% of the income for the City of Encinitas. That seems like a pretty hefty amount for one development!

    If we get the Leucadia streetscape in, maybe more revenue will be the result. Not to mention upgrading the area for us residents.

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  56. Mossy's approached the city with the offer to sell not the city going to them. The auto business was at a lousy location and not making enough money. The nimby's didn't want the public works yard on QGD or Saxony Rd. All of this after confiscating the SDWD property and leaving both SDWD and the city public works dept. without a permanent home. It is amazing how many folks on this blog
    are so ignorant.

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  57. The recycled pipe would need to be approx.12" in diameter,extend a 1/4mile to the west at a very high cost just to reach Cotton Wood Park. In order to install it there would be major traffic interruptions and conflicts with many existing utilities. Cal-Trans would have to grant permission since it would be in their right of way. Sounds real simple to the uninformed.

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  58. The recycled pipe would need to be approx.12" in diameter,extend a 1/4mile to the west at a very high cost just to reach Cotton Wood Park. In order to install it there would be major traffic interruptions and conflicts with many existing utilities. Cal-Trans would have to grant permission since it would be in their right of way. Sounds real simple to the uninformed.

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  59. but every now and then you get a gem like ANON 3:13. go back and read it please.

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  60. and ANON 3:28 sounds on the money also. it's why i would like the line to come from the ponto "butchering" as part of the mitigation, along with signifcant traffic mitigation money on a continuing basis. it's going to take money to restore 101 from a commuter shortcut to a slow but pleasent drive through a unique surviving stretch of a 101 coastal city. no it won't be easy, but its not impossible, we're not climbing everest here.

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  61. Gil, I read it and who ever anon 3:13 is has the facts right. No phony emotion or dribble there.

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  62. I climbed Everest. I think it would be easier to climb it again than to get Carlsbad to not drive through Encinitas.

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  63. The problem with the Mossy site for the Public Works yard was that the city paid too much and said it was to be a turnkey purchase. Has everyone forgotten that the council recently approved spending over $3 million to cover all the "unforeseen" expenses?

    The Quail Gardens site was originally bought for park land. The neighbors prefer that the property be sold for homes. They are afraid the city is going to put in lighted soccer fields. I guess we are all NIMBYS when it comes to living next door to soccer fields that are lighted until midnight on the weekends.

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  64. Hey Jerome, Mike, and Gary,

    The public is ignorant because the council does their dammed best to keep people in the dark and manipulate the public with selective release of information and half truths.

    There is a solution. Start holding monthly town hall meetings where the public can ask follow up questions.

    What do you say Jerome? Oh come on. You can educate the public.

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  65. We need more soccer fields! Many more!

    If those NIMBY wanted to have the property sold for houses they should have helped out Matt Walker with his point number 2.

    http://leucadia.blogspot.com/2006/08/matt-walkers-6-points.html

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  66. Convert the Baseball fields to soccer fields. Baseball is a lame sport anyway.... totally boring.

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  67. When the demographic tax base of Encinitas Blvd went from $250,000 per year down to $100,000 the year after Mossy left, it sounded to me like their freeway visible car dealership here wasn't such a "lousy location" (as 3:13 states). But I'm no Cal Worthington. Maybe a mile of cars could do better on Quail Gardens Drive.


    I was at the Public Works Yard meetings at the city. Staff was spinning the Saxony / QGD locations to become much more than just a place of offices and parking for trucks, but touting it as a "tourist destination" (!) where the public could learn about "how Public Works works". If that wouldn't provoke someone to NIMBYISM what would? (There's no end to the great ideas of how to upzone a target area when someone industrious puts their mind to it.)

    Re: 3:13 "Mossy's approached the city with the offer to sell not the city going to them."
    I never suggested who approached whom and I dont see what difference that could make in the purchase.

    There are still alternatives to putting Eninitas back in the black. True, the San Dietuito Water District / Public Works Yard were confiscated without a permanent home for a while. But seeing that their new location is four times larger than where it was behind city hall, I see options. (Compare the two parcels at GoogleEarth.com for a bird's eye view. Their snapshot is over 5 years old so you can see the old PWY above city hall and the Mossy dealership a few blocks East.)
    Why not put the city into business and turn the front half of the new Public Works Yard into a Prius dealership? Then we'd get the tax base AND the profit in sales of this landmark vehicle. That would not only show good faith in efforts of global ecology, it would create tons more revenue than the facinating Public Works theme park the city had in mind for QGD. And what better time before the ink is dry on "remodeling" Mossy's old frontage? Now that's turnkey.

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  68. P.S. Seeing that it's around 5 years old, that GoogleEarth.com snapshot of the N. Coast Hwy 101 corridor could help identify a lot of our tree loss here and help relenishment plans for that "tree inventory" I'm hearing about...
    Would call it a "tree log" but that's too punny.

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  69. I love anon 3:28 comments. something like "Running a 12 inch diameter west for a 1/4 mile is really expensive, would be in traffic, and we even have to get a permit from Caltrans."

    Really, I thought City's replace and install miles of waterlines all the time.

    My god, it seems like a pretty minor project to me. Waterlines get built in busy streets all the time and the costs are known. The benefits far out way the cost.

    One thing for certain is I'd hate to be anon 3:28. They probably think waking up and brushing their teeth in the morning is a major accomplishment for a day!


    Lets hope anon 3:28 has nothing to do with getting things done (or in their case- not done) at City Hall.

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  70. As a rule of thumb most pipe line installations are capital improvement jobs for REPLACEMENT of undersized old lines that have not been able to keep up with growth. The funding for new recycled lines is not just the responsibility of the City of Encinitas but a shared cost with Solana Beach. It would be a great thing to have a broader service area. The idea that it would be as simple as just installing a pipe a little further as an easy no brainer type solution was the reason the details of were mentioned. Can it be done? Yes. Is it something that the citizens are willing to fund? Maybe. Are there more pressing public things that the tax dollars should go to? Possibly. By pointing out the facts is not an indictment on the concept but a rational way to examine it's rationality. Anon 3:28

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  71. Why do people always assume that government has more money for projects, they only need to look a little harder attitude? Or think it is only a little project?

    BIG giant trophy projects like the Library and Hall Property and Fire Stations are sucking up everything and more. If you wanted small little projects like that done you should have spoke up when the city was going overboard with trophy projects.

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  72. Anon 8:08 is right on. What is wrong with some modest designs instead of giant artisttic statement type buildings. The tax payers could get a lot more bang for their buck if folks spoke up sooner and had something more constructive to offer than critism.

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  73. Guess what! The city council is having a closed session today, Friday, Dec. 21, 2007 at 4:30 p.m. Another closed seesion special meeting.

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  74. according to the agenda the closed session is one(1)item concerning litigation. that is a legitimate closed session item. rarely does one want the other party in a lawsuit to know the particulars of the battle.

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  75. Hey, Gil. They had the same listing at the last closed session.

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  76. Gil,You seem like a rational person. Maybe you should consider one the the open seats coming up on council? So many of the bloggers seem like total lifeless hacks.

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  77. some people have spoken up about the trophy projects. More would if the city communicated better.

    As for litigation, that should be closed session, but Gil should rethink his wording. "lawsuit to know the particulars of the battle"

    This is the city. Our city. Our representatives. Our government. What should be secret about what or why they do something. The city should not be in the mode of being in "battle" with the citizens. If they have a legitimate issue, fine, sue, but what they know should be no secret and not an issue of strategy. It should be an issue of right and wrong and legal and illegal.

    If they need to have secret strategies to win in court then maybe they should be suing, they are the government and our representative.

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  78. Maybe the city is meeting in secret to discuss Lynn and Russ!?!? Maybe the city is trying to make them paranoid!?!?!?! Maybe the city wants them to take a more active role in questioning the staff and board members!! Maybe the city has a special gift for them for this holiday season??
    OOOoooo secrets ???
    Too many secrets!!!!

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  79. Maybe the council is meeting to discuss new ways to keep all of the dumb ass bozos in Leucadia happy and give them pacifiers in the form of trees,sidewalks,round abouts etc... God only knows that Fred who gets on the web at 12:21 a.m. must have a lot of important things going on in his head. You people are pathetic!!!!!

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  80. Come on guys,lay off the council,we have the best council members that money can buy.

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  81. or maybe the City is learning the options available in a lawsuit against Carlbad about the impacts of the Ponto butchering and it's traffic streaming down our City's section of coast highway.

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  82. and there are going to be taxes on the sale of a car even if you are losing money every time you sell one. so the tax base lost does not reflect the profitability of the car dealership only the revenue generation from the property. if Mossy was knocking em dead he wouldn't have sold. like steve martin says in the jerk, it's a profit deal.

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  83. Mossy knocked em dead with profit alright. 8 million profit on the property beats the hell out of selling cars. (Oh my, look at the time)

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  84. Great riposte, Fred. We all have the freedom to post at any time of the day or night. It's not the hour of the post that matters, but the content.

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  85. You are in business. A profit can be made growing on Lake, that is why there are still operations on Lake. It is more profitable to build houses. There is nothing wrong with that as long as the we don't get screwed in the process. The city got screwed on the Mossy deal. The city bent over and took it in the ass. I would like to see you defend that price because defending the purchase makes you look like a nut or a guy with an agenda.

    9 million dollars for that land is absurd.

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  86. The city has been screwed in every real estate deal that it has been involved with beginning with the city hall purchase. Why must this be time and again? Why can't we get someone to negotiate for us if we are such loosers.

    There are lots of bad-assed real estate lawyers for hire out there. Hire one next time.

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  87. About these trophy projects the city is proposing...the firehouses in particular. None of these projects have begun as yet. Why can't these projects be put on hold until they can be rethought in real terms. A little Value Engineering could reduce a trophy project to a more reasonable solution.

    Let your council know that you don't want them to spend a stupid 5 million on each station. No one else around spends that kind of money for firehouses, I know that. There are lots of current examples, San Marcos, San Elijo, Carlsbad.

    Call a time out, ask Teresa or Maggie.

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  88. Council did not post on it's 12/21/07 Closed Session "Special Meeting" Agenda that public speakers could speak on the agenda item, during the public part of the special meeting, as required by the Brown Act.

    Although Glenn Sabine reported out of closed session at the previous 12/12 Council Meeting that the City was going to initiate a lawsuit with Carlsbad, Sabine said, then, that there was no reportable action, yet.

    The 12/21 Agenda should also have stated that the lawsuit that was being considered in an incorrect "stand alone special closed session meeting" was the same Carlsbad question, of whether to initiate litigation.

    Some people think the City is being a hypocrite on this issue. We should have had public forums on it; why can't the citizens get involved? We are all concerned about environmental protection issues when it comes to our coastline.

    Encinitas appears to be (because we are left in the dark) holding Carlsbad to a standard that Encinitas did not follow regarding the Hall Property, for example.

    At the public part of the closed session, Council was questioned why it was so urgent to have this "Special Meeting" when Jerome had said Council would not be meeting until January 9, at the 12/12 Council Meeting. Jerome Stocks said that they had to meet with so little notice because they wanted to give the City of Carlsbad a "Christmas Present."

    Dan Dalager said, when questioned privately, that he knew it was a "David and Goliath" situation. That is the way some of us feel when pitted against the City of Encinitas. Encinitas lost in the lawsuit with NCTD re double tracking. This will be a lot of money for lawyers and probably a lose, lose - for the citizens.

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  89. Thankful LeucadianDecember 23, 2007 12:21 AM

    My god anon 10:38pm, get to the fricken point. Are you saying that you don't support the City Suing Carlsbad?

    You sure ramble alot. Geeze- I wonder who wrote this one. For now I won’t identify you, but we all know who loves to ramble on and on and on. Consider that my Christmas present to you.

    I am very pleased that the City is suing Carlsbad on this issue. It shows they want Leucadia to be something other than Carlsbad's freeway and doormat all in the same project. I hope they reflect on that point on all future decisions.

    Great job City. Thanks!

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  90. Thankful LeucadianDecember 23, 2007 12:32 AM

    PS- If Carlsbad doesn't pay for the true cost of improving La Costa Ave, Vulcan Avenue and all the other Encinitas streets to mitigate and traffic calm all their fricken traffic, I say lets put a 3 way stop in at La Costa Avenue.

    Let Carlsbad use Poinsettia Lane as their main access for the future Boxy Ponto Area. We don’t want their fricken I5 Cut through traffic!

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  91. Okay, Jerome. I know you are posting here, most recently as "true leucadian." How true is that?

    Your comments as "anonymous" on 12/21 at 12:48 about a Christmas present are all too obvious, tied to your comments at the 12/21 Closed session later that afternoon.

    You gave yourself away, again.

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  92. yes a profit can still be made growing on lake but it is much more marginal than it used to be.
    and it is going to get even tougher for those on interruptable water service. in addition most growers still surviving bought the land before the real estate bump up and are waiting for the right window to sell/develop and get out.
    it is getting to a point where there is no question that it is more profitable to develop than grow, whereas it used to be a question.

    as to the mossy deal, 9 million doesn't look so bad if you are developing a commercial venture on the property rather than a public works yard. as a public works yard it does have some location elements in it's favor. part of the added cost that should have been known and disclosed prior to purchase was that to make it accessible to americans with disabilities there was going to have to be an elevator installed. now that has to cost a pretty penny.

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  93. It is Jerome who is posting again. He's up to the same thing on the North County Times comments section below each article. Every time his name is mentioned in a story he is the first to post an extremely positive comment about himself. You can tell because he always does it in the wee hours of the night. Same thing on this blog, only he posts negative comments about others.

    How pathetic that a councilmember stoops to this low level of behavior! Jerome, do you have the courage and integrity to post under your own name?

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  94. Lynn and all-

    I wish Jerome would post comments like that. Leucadia would be in much better shape.

    Merry Christmas,

    St. Nick

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  96. This is a longer post, but only a “one-pager” in my Word doc.

    I agree that Encinitas should require Carlsbad to help mitigate the environmental consequences of both cities' development related to La Costa Ave. This mitigation must include the Contel complex that the City allowed, as appealed by private citizens through the Coastal Commission.

    In fact, did Encinitas appeal some of the Carlsbad development to the Coastal Commission? If not, the City may have lost its standing to do so in court.

    This is why Russell asked about the exhaustion of administrative remedies before any lawsuit goes to court, when we spoke after the closed session on 12/21. Exhaustion of Administrative remedies is a doctrine of law that has not been followed in our case, either.

    Because we, the people, are kept in the dark, we can't know whether immediately initiating a lawsuit is now or was before the most effective way to accomplish our mutual desire to mitigate to preserve our quality of life. Glenn Sabine probably could not be used for this litigation as he was ineffective and failed in defending the lawsuit against the City of Encinitas by the Citizens for Quality of Life re the Hall Property.

    He failed because the City of Encinitas was breaking the Environmental Quality Act, which is part of Calif. Govt. Code, statutory law. The City broke the State Constitution regarding the wrongful water tax on our trash bills, and in our case, regarding closed sessions held without any notice at all, never reported. Open Government is mandated by our State Constitution. Clean up your own house, City officers, before you jump the gun, again. Are you really suing to distract from the cover-ups going on in your own house?

    This lawsuit against Carlsbad could be perceived that way, as a distraction from your own “illegalities,” Encinitas officers, Mayor Jerome, particularly if you lose because you have not exhausted your remedies with the Coastal Commission, who we see as our friend.

    I think the citizens of Encinitas could and would individually help to put pressure on Carlsbad, if there were an open meeting on this issue. The City does not need to use fear of giving away “strategies” as a ploy to encourage more back room deals, secret alliances, and to reward meaty jobs to fat cat law firms and their strong arm associates, toadying colleagues.

    No legal “strategies" need be or would be given away. We all realize that sometimes, in lawsuits, the lawyers are the only "winners." Our city should initiate lawsuits as a last resort, only, not as a moneymaker for our City Attorney, or as a political strategy. Is the strategy to make our neighbor an enemy that Council can stand united against? I don’t like the excess traffic or development, either, make no mistake.

    What can we each do to raise the level of awareness of the citizens’ concerns? Open meetings and public forums and media coverage would be less expensive and probably more effective, than a costly, seemingly hypocritical lawsuit. People who live in Carlsbad, or San Marcos for that matter, are not our enemies. We can work together for a better quality of life.

    Don't widen the roads, Jim, Dan, Jerome. Be honest. Save the trees. Save the kelp. And please, don't waste any more of our hard earned money. What is the legacy that you will leave? Debt? Secrecy and deception?

    Happy Holidays, everyone!

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  97. i am not sure that the ponto development has gone thru coastal yet. i know that i was negligent for not attending carlsbad's public sessions concerning ponto, i was just too tired. i did attend CC concerning contel development. the CC position was that the property had been vacant so long that if some concessions were necessary to get some visitor serving accomodations developed they would allow some saleable timeshare condos.

    i am running away to joshua tree for the holidays. don't have any "modern technology" up there so will blog you all when i get back. everyone take care, be safe. have a restful merry holiday.

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  98. Just trying to make it an even 100 posts if we can. I think that would be a first. So, Happy Holidays to all of you. I truly hope that this blog continues all through 2008 so anyone who wants to can post. That includes all of the City Council too! We are all in this crazy world together so my holiday wish is to have Peace on this Planet, or if not on the entire planet, Peace in Encinitas. We are 5 unique areas, however, we did decide to merge together in 1986 and so we are kind
    of stuck with one another. The good news about this country is we still can post our thoughts and feelings on this blog and there is not too much censorship.I am sending J.P. a letter a received from one of my patients who is in Iraq. Perhaps he will post it. It is truly inspiring.
    With love to ALL
    Dr. Lorri

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  99. The 101st poster gets to see the STRANGE THING free.

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  100. To all of you good boys and girls. A Merry Christmas. Now, what is this Strange Thing?

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  101. Use the 101 for work only!!December 23, 2007 7:03 PM

    I'm the 101 poster on H101!!!

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  102. WAAAAAA I wanted to be the 101 poster. Did you get to see the Strange Thing? What is it?

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  103. During the last century, a old showman from a circus walked into Caldwell's Antiques and said "This would be a good place for the STRANGE THING" -one of his curiosities he has displayed abroad. So with the promise I would never touch it, I put it on display here for only 25 cents. But it's a 50 cent value because that's what he used to charge. Now it's Coast Hwy 101's only Roadside Attraction. So the answer to your question 7:13pm is I don't know what it is, I just know it's strange.
    P.S. Congratulations "Use the 101 for work only!!" You won the free peek at the STRANGE THING. But I'm not sure when you can collect, seeing that you use 101 for work only. I am open on weekends though. Cheers

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  104. I know what the strange thing is.It's the moronic newcomers to Leucadia. You pencil neck geeks that think that you were the first people here. My family has been in Leucadia since part of it was named Merle. That goes back to the 1930's,long before you invaders came along. Leucadia was just cheap motels a few bars,a couple filling stations and Ruby's diner. She actually smoked cigars.

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  105. I found out that a large part of the Mossy/Public Works yard is actually being used for fleet maintanance for city,water and all fire dept. vehicles-this includes fire trucks. I guess it doesn't seem so bad after all.

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  106. can anyone translate anon 7:24?

    What on earth is his point? Sounds mostly like a bunch of whining. Is there a message under the whining?

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  107. Anon 9:00 The point is that you dad burn wippersnappers show up and try to make Leucadia some real issue. What in tarnation is wrong with a soul educattin you . You were probably conceived in the back of a VW bus for all we know.Why don't you show some respect to longtimer instead of revealing your stupidity from a mariwanny induced stupor.

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  108. Fred, there are decency laws in Encinitas,just ask F st. books owner. To actually invite people to see your STRANGE THING violates city ordinance

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  109. The city is still involved in the F Street lawsuit.

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  110. How come they call the F st bookstore if it's on 101 and Daphne?

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  111. How come they call the F st bookstore if it's on 101 and Daphne?

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  112. I think the F stands for filthy or foul. I hope that Freds STRANGE THING isn't something nasty. Hmmm maybe it stands for Fred.

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  113. I AM worth seeing. Come on down.

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  114. Yeah 1:35, sounds like you see the world though special glasses. but it aint Fred's Street Bookstore, even though 101 is my street and I happen to sell books.

    And to satisfy your provocative curiousity, of the actual guesses the STRANGE THING has recieved so far, I have yet to hear "Nasty". I have heard: "Mirror, Chupacabra, Scubtart, Wigged Beef Jerky, Ex-Wife, Fiji Mermaid, Old Time Hoax, Italian Seafood, Goat Sucker, Lawyer, Martian Mermaid, oh yeah and Ex-Husband." Hope that helps. If not, bust a move and bring a quarter some weekend.

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  115. Hey Fred, I'm enjoying your clever insouciance in responding to often inane posts. We could use you on the city council. Now that would be a breath of fresh air.

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  116. Its Stand for F%CK STREET DUMBSHITS!!!

    F%ck is what I say to you.

    Thats what I buy at the store. Anything that has to do with F%cking.

    Get it straight.

    Even though I go there, I can understand why the City has an ordinance prohibiting these places from being so close to schools.

    You should see the fellow scum that frequent that place. They even make my skin crawl.

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  117. Its Stand for F%CK STREET DUMBSHITS!!!

    F%ck is what I say to you.

    Thats what I buy at the store. Anything that has to do with F%cking.

    Get it straight.

    Even though I go there, I can understand why the City has an ordinance prohibiting these places from being so close to schools.

    You should see the fellow scum that frequent that place. They even make my skin crawl.

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  118. Its Stand for F%CK STREET DUMBSHITS!!!

    F%ck is what I say to you.

    Thats what I buy at the store. Anything that has to do with F%cking.

    Get it straight.

    Even though I go there, I can understand why the City has an ordinance prohibiting these places from being so close to schools.

    You should see the fellow scum that frequent that place. They even make my skin crawl.

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