Sunday, September 07, 2008

N. Leucadia Pedestrian Hell





The Leucadia Streetscape calls for ambitious multi-million dollar plans that include radical realignment of the highway and tree canopy and threat of eminent domain to install large Bird Rock, La Jolla style roundabouts. All we really want is safe passage down the street.

91 comments:

  1. That looks like a spot where there is safer passage when cars aren't in the way. Parking is a problem. The specific plan is only making the parking worse. Rewrite the specific plan and don't let the shortsighted developers control it this time. Require adequate parking.

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  2. You are right JP, we want to make Leucadia to be more walkable and bikable with more parking so we can get out of our cars to do that.

    That means we have to embrace the streetcape project - that is how we will get there!

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  3. Looks like a poor parking job worthy of a ticket to me. Plenty of room on the road there for a car without having to encroach on the right of way. The streetscape will be just as difficult if drivers park illegal like that on the sidewalk.

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  4. yea, i walk the coast highway quite a bit.stretches like the ones in the picture can be scary. its been great since the new sidewalks are in near Mozy's and Especial Norte.
    I'm really open to hearing the arguments, but I'm starting to like hearing about slowing down the traffic and hopefully forcing some carlsbad commuters to the freeway. I think the whole tree canopy needs to be replanned by professionals, so I'm okay with adjusting the median for the one lane north, two south approach.
    I'm really excited about the possibilities!

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  6. Where is the "multi million" going to come from?

    A proponent of a pedistrian friendly, bicycles accomodating coastal business corridor, I'm concerned the Leucadia 101 street scape is beginning to look like a consultant driven boondoggle.

    Again I ask where will Encinitas find the millions of dollars to redevelop Highway 101 through Leucadia?

    Traffic planning aside, any plans that threaten the heritage tree canopy is anti Leucadia and should be rejected.

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  7. Sorry Leucadia, I am going to cost $50 million+. No sidewalk for you.

    signed,
    The Hall Park

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  8. Coastal Eddie...

    I too like most of the new sidewalks (by Mozy's etc) that better designate where cars and people go. Slower speed limits are also long overdue.

    But keeping 2 lanes south (as all 3Peltz plans show) will not encourage commuters from the north to use the fwy. Keeping 2 lanes south will move the two lanes east, ripping out the median trees and destroying our canopy for decades. Especially with the plan that was "prefered" at the last workshop.

    I'm not as enthalled about the possibilities we've been dealt.

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  9. enthralled. I hate typo's.

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  10. 12:57

    Those are the same questions Chuck DuVivier asked, but he was probably steering property owners into more taxes with a "business improvement district" solution.

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  11. The canopy that most of us love is disappearing. The remaining trees are sad and butchered.

    All the street scape plans are nice and are a huge improvement over the status quo.

    I whole heartedly support it, as I believe that the project will make the coast highway through Leucaida walkable, beautiful and will reduce the dangerous conditions (e.g., slow down the traffic, provide for bike lanes, etc.).... another benefit is that cost highway in Leucadia will no longer look like a ghetto.

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  12. 6:36

    Spoken like a Del Mar developer.

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  13. The canopy is alive and well -- maybe somewhat decimated, but the survivors are hunkering down for the onslaught. Day by day they continue to grow, despite lack of water, car fumes and chainsaw wielding sadists. Big Ben is still alive and shedding leaves in a timely manner, Mariah still dances with her limbs in the wind and Old Salt continues to lean into the off shore spray. Our woody friends have been here for us, will we be there for them?

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  14. I hate inaccurate geography -- Old leans into the ON SHORE winds. Duh.

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  15. I agree with Brian.
    Think it through.
    One lane south would be dangerous.
    That is where the business are.

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  16. Not a Del Mar developer... a Leucadia resident.

    But now that you mention it, Del Mar is nice. Their streets have sidewalks, parking, bicycle lanes, a thriving business community, safe intersections... not to mention a very nice train crossing.

    With appropriate support and input from our community, the street scape will great for our town.

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  17. Bob,

    What do you mean the stretscape is turning into a "consultant driven boondogle"?

    Do you think that we should not have experts help us design something? Would it be better if Staff just did the plan?

    I think that the consultants are doing a great job, and I am excited about the possiblities.

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  18. JP-

    Don’t you know that using "but" excludes every word that you used before the "but".

    I for one love the idea of changing that fuck up road.

    Its nothing like it was 20 years ago before Carlsbad when Nuclear.

    Volume and speeds of traffic are Richter.

    It’s fast, ugly and unsafe.

    The once famous trees are decimated.

    Its fast- I see all kinds of Sunday afternoon racers hitting 80 mph regularily and hear them as well. What I don't see is any Sheriffs on that stretch on Sunday afternoon. Do you want to know why? You should ask the City Manager. The answer will blow you away.

    Its Ugly- the trees are 1/10 of what they were 20 years ago. The weeds and dust- 20 times. The trains 20 times. I also don't like the ugly noise that comes from the City not having any enforcement on that stretch. They could ticket 300 people each Sunday afternoon, but choose not to for whatever reason. Once again, you have to ask the City Manager what that’s about.

    Unsafe- Fast racing cars, No bike lanes, crappy sidewalks. I am surprised we only average one death per year. The average will likely be going up.

    So with that said, I would say give me a road that has safe walkways, safe bikelanes, plenty of parking to make our businesses successful, plant some very nice landscaping, eliminate the I5 cut through traffic, and design it at 25 mph so people can enjoy our coast; and I will love that roadway.

    Until than, its any ugly, unsafe, business killing death machine that I call Leucadia crap.

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  19. Bob-

    What I call you is an uneducated candidate trying for anything to differentiate youself from others in a positive way.

    This latest attack on our streetscape is the final blow for my vote.

    I will gladly be voting for someone else.

    Don't worry; there are many that are pretty dumb just like you. You may still have a chance. Hell Jerome was elected.

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  20. Hey Bob-

    Why don't you want to throw a few million toward Leucadia instead of $100,000,000 for a Regional Sports Complex, or $50 million for the all new Ritz fire station program.

    The streetscape on Hwy 101 would not only improve quality of life for all Leucadians, it would raise property values, and City revenues. Unlike the projects listed above.

    Please. You have shown me you have no clue. You’re not getting my vote and I will now stop buy coffee and treats from you E street café. You are bad for Encinitas

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  21. I agree with Fred and will add that the streetscape is a very important to address the decaying main street through Leucadia. Currently that main stretch through Leucadia only seems like a Sunday raceway and express way for Carlsbad residents throughout the week

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  22. I think what Bob means is that money doesn't grow on trees. And that without money there won't be much of a Streetscape realized. And that meanwhile the masses are being passified with a dog and pony show.

    Good question though, where will those multi-millions come from to tear up a fast lane, tear down the median trees and replant the new median with dinky trees? Not to mention and all the other bells and whistles suggested for Streetscape.

    The third meaning of boondoggle from dictionary.com:
    "A project funded by the federal government out of political favoritism that is of no real value to the community or the nation."

    My concern is that the consultants repeatedly told us "four lanes can be two", then drew us 3 sets of plans with not of them following their own guidelines they laid out for citizens at their workshops. Might as well be a boondoggle if they caved in to political pressure from a third and persuasive entity who insists on 3 lanes for our Streetscape when all that is needed is two. The three lane plan also neatly gets rid of the median trees the city has tried so dearly to remove in the past (through consultant Rick Engineering masquerading as their suggested "best design for an adequate storm drain in Leucadia").

    The trees are not decimated, but have regularly been replenished for 16 years. 50 thriving Torrey Pines planted by 200 citizens and People For Trees (most up to 30 ft tall) & over 100 of various other young trees that the city has planted, staked and watered. Can they survive the Streetscape? Not if they're in the way.

    By making sweeping and false generalities like "the median trees are at the end of their life cycles anyway" (and they have said that), the Streetscape authors are trying to sell us the idea that removing the median is a good idea - and obviously some on this blog have fully bought into that.

    For those of you who cannot tell that the Streetscape workshops are in a different gear than Peltz' finalized 3 plans, I suggest reviewing the tapes.

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  23. Anonymous 8:57, I removed the word "but", thanks.

    How much is the streetscape going to cost and where is the money coming from?

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  24. While I agree with some of Fred's points, the current Mainstreet sucks and any improvement will be just that an improvement. I say let the existing trees stay, create bikelanes and parking, add landscpaping (many more trees) and get rid of the speeding second lane in each direction.

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  25. JP-

    The money will come from a trimmed down Hall property and Ritz fire station renewal program budget, once the new council is seated after November.

    The Leucadia Streetscape project would pay for itself in 10 years. Can the other two projects say that?

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  26. There is a chance we could have the exact same council as we do now.

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  27. Where is our police department? Why wasn't that car ticketed and towed off the sidewalk?

    Perhaps the PD (Sheriff) was to busy at Starbucks to make our city safe or because they only work here temporarily and don't really give a sh__.

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  28. Folks, I am not anti Streetscape, I am pro trees and pro tree canopy.

    I did not question the merits of the project or the professional skills of the consultants. Nor did I say anything about staff.

    I merely asked where the money was coming from to pay for the project and suggested the Leucadia 101 streetscape was being driven by consultants who stand to profit handsomely from the project they are promoting.

    My position on the streetscape has not changed from the first community workshop with the Peltz group, my position has always been about creating a walkable Leucadia while retaining and restoring the historic tree canopy.

    Personally I think the best way to discourage Carlsbad commuters from using Highway 101 as a pass though instead of the freeway, making room for more parking in the process, would be to reconfigure 101 for one lane in each direction.

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  29. It sounds like we could plant Torrey Pines and they would grow to 30 feet in 16 years. I think we should put the median where it belongs - whereever that may be, and plant Torrey Pines and water them. After we decide about road alignment, in 16 years, we won't have a bigger sidewalk or decent bike lanes. Keep an open mind for now, please.

    Let's all go look at the plans, provide input and embrace the change.

    I can guarentee you that if we all tell the City to stop work on our crappy strech of road, they will gladly do that. We don't want that to happen. I also predict that if we embrace the streetscape, the City won't dare back off now.

    So, instead of saying the plan "sucks", or that it is a "boondoggle", let's educate ourselves and make sure we get what we want.

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  30. I agree.... it’s the opposite of a boondoggle... its a terrific project to address all aspects of problems of that crappy street and re-canopy the road.

    Bob- To answer your question, all the Citizens of Encinitas win by having a nice walkable main street in Leucadia... the only losers would the cut through I5 freeway traffic.

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  31. 6:33

    Sheriff's got better things to do than read this blog. The car was there all night too.

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  32. Nanninga said nothing about stopping work on Streetscape planning process.

    I too believe the trees and tree canopy must be preserved.

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  33. That's not a sidewalk, it's an extension of the road with a bump. It is reflective of the attitude the city takes toward Leucadia. By the council, the staff and the sheriffs dept.

    Bob, get that car moved!!

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  34. If walkability and bike lanes are the priority, why is there so much new parking planned in the streetscapes?

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  35. This is really about redeveloping Leucadia by Peder Norby's standards.

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  36. N. Coast Hwy101 pedestrian hellSeptember 08, 2008 9:33 AM

    Another title could be N. Coast Hwy101 a pedestrian hell. Bring on the streetscape please and let’s make this main street walkable with nice canopy trees.

    The parking is needed because the zoning is so dense and doesn't require adequate parking.

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  37. ugly eyesores aboundSeptember 08, 2008 9:59 AM

    I notice we are back to sand bags at the intersection although this time they are brown, same color at the dirt they accompany.
    Also when is the city going to get that orange tape removed from the corner?? Ugly eyesores abound in Leucadia don't they!!

    RSPB

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  38. 9:59

    Yeah, what happened to the rail road ties they were gonna artistically arrange there instead of sand bags?

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  39. I just drove back from Torrey Pines along the coast through the Euc's reminded me of Leucadia in years past. The drive was nice with few cars so I was able to cruise and enjoy the way I do through Leucadia.
    I was excited to have a street-scape project all the talk of restoring the canopy until I realized the plan was not to restore the canopy it was remove the median and then replant a bunch of saplings.The new trees will take 20 to 30 years to form a canopy this wasn't talked about by the Peltz people only a brief mention was made that 77% of the old growth trees would be removed. How can this be considered restoring the canopy? The Atl.! is all about parking for business which is more akin to redevelopment. I think if the city reduced the speed limit to 30mph we would slow down the madness and have time to analyze and adjust the flaws in the Peltz plans.I listened to Leucadians at the Art Walk while sitting in front of L101 showing the plans most were unaware of the project an aghast at the thought of cutting down the trees.The preferred plan is preferred by few as most are uninformed.

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  40. Quick, somebody tell San Diego those hundreds of Eukes at Torrey Pines are at the end of their dangerous life cycles!

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  41. You have to have parking to get people out of their cars and walk. I don't know about you, but is is harder than hell to find a parking space when you are going to Paniken, for example.

    If we had more parking, we would see more business. Business is good!

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  42. If you want to go to the Paniken ride your bike or walk maybe skateboard or you can run many ways without a car!

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  43. I not against parking spaces I just don't want to remove trees to put in parking spaces.There's no trees in the median by Pannikin put parking spaces there. All I'm asking is to work around the Historic old growth trees that signify Leucadia. I pushed for sidewalks been pushing for more tress also would love to see traffic calming along with mufflers on want a be Hells Angels.

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  44. The reverse diagonal parking looks problematic... Does anyone know where else this has been tried and if it was successful or replaced with traditional diagonal parking?

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  45. 6:05

    Peltz told us that reverse diagonal parking has many advantages over traditional parking spaces and that they have proven themselves wherever they are installed. Advantages are that; drivers leaving the space can safely see bikes approaching; bikers don't have to worry about oblivious drivers swinging their door open into their bike's path (and I've seen more that one biker tumble head over heels, breaking bones because some parker wasn't paying attention.); Another advantage to the new kind of parking is that the car is not in a car traffic lane when they are backing into a space but the much lesser used bike lane.
    I agree with Peltz on those things.
    I also agreed with them that 2 lanes, minus traffic lights, plus roundabouts and a slower speed limit actually improves traffic flow through a town. But for some unexplained reason they abandoned their own teaching to keep 2 lanes south and consequently removing most of our trees in the process.

    5:39

    On the east side of 101, there is about 2 miles of parking spaces that are unused. What's missing is a simple curb designating where the RR right of way is and what is ours. Such a curb could be installed without disturbing one healthy tree and add about 200 parking spaces to North Coast Hwy 101. But nooooooo. Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain.

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  46. Anon 5:21 I walk all over Encinitas and I hate to walk along the Leucadia raceway called N. Coast Hwy101. It’s unsafe, loud and unpleasant. When it’s fixed, I will walk along it. So will hundreds of people a day similar to what you see in downtown Encinitas.

    You want to see a big increase in pedestrian traffic, just look at all the Pedestrians on Leucadia Boulevard along the first phase of the project just east of Vulcan. Waite until the City finishes that project; you will see the pedestrian traffic double again.

    I see many more pedestrians on Leucadia Boulevard than N. Coast Hwy101 and that because its safer and more enjoyable.

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  47. I've said this before, and I'll say it again: The citizens of Leucadia/Encinitas have enough documentation and complaint to issue a class action lawsuit agianst the NCTD. And possibly The City of Encinitas.

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  48. Maybe that should be the argument for citizens getting tickets on the RR property near Calypso. Make NCTD install a curb so we'll know exactly where to park. Currently they do not designate their side from our side (except for orange flagged stakes that appeared for a few weeks during the Streetscape workshops then quickly dissapeared.)
    Not a sue-happy person here, but a healthy veiled threat can accomplish much sometimes.

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  49. NCTD are big time polluters.September 08, 2008 8:55 PM

    I filed a complaint with the State Air Resources Board against the NCTD rail lines for mis managment of their right of way. They are causing huge increases in the dust in the air which affects all the kids at Paul Ecke Central school. There hoeing practices to remove all the vegetation increases the air pollution from each passing train kicking up an unnecessary cloud of dust that than blankets the entire corridor. All the parents at Paul Ecke School could have a class action suite against NCTD the community could as well.

    Please join the effort to get them to correct this mismanagement by planting groundcover or mulching the area…. Please file a complaint at:

    http://www.arb.ca.gov/enf/complaints/complaints.htm#general


    thanks.

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  50. I honestly think that the really gung ho people posting here who favor moving or removing the canopy are part of the PR squad of Peltz and associates? Or hotel owners along 101? Or Jerome Stocks, himself? Friends of Stocks and Bond? Doesn't matter, you know who you are, and you are disgusting, frankly, to me.

    Hey, I've nothing against the business owners. I love Fred. I want Leucadia to be walkable. I do NOT want to move the median or further destroy the canopy.

    If we had the $100,000 per year we pay the 101 Czar, and the over $300,000 we have now spent on consultants' PR presentations, pushing more roundabouts, then we could have planted more trees, and set up a system to water them with reclaimed water, from water trucks, if necessary! We could have additional plantings, too, and we could require, NCTD, through Stocks, for the time being, to clean up the track side of the highway. Yes, the tracks should be undergrounded not the pedestrian walkways which are, oxymoronically, now called "bridges." That's a laugh.

    Reduce the speed limit. Have police enforce the speed limit. Put in a stop sign at Leucadia and No. Hwy. 101. All of these could have been done for the money that we are paying consultants to convince us to destroy what's left of our precious heritage of trees, to jam up traffic even more, while at the same time, messing with the median, forcing roundabouts down our throats when there is no updated traffic circulation element which could show that the ones we now have are effective.

    I agree with JP and Bob Nanninga. Wow, some of you guys sure like to play cyberbully and flamers under the veil of anonymity. Doesn't matter who you are. You are not showing you have the courage of your "convictions," as JP and Bob are. You have shown your true colors, bullies. You know, you can't hide from the truth. People who have the patience to read and post here know who you are. Ever hear that expression, a few bad apples can spoil the barrel?

    Flame on, bullies. I'm voting for Bob, and I'd vote for JP if he would run.

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  51. Whoa - reverse diagonal parking???? What the heck is that?? You mean I would have to back into a space, not just parallel park? And this is so I can see bikes and not have them plow into my car door when it's opened? Don't know about you, but long time ago when I first learned to ride a bike, the number one or two lesson was --- car doors open in front of you -- watch out. This streetcrap is getting crazier by the day. Where are there any examples of this type of parking? How many people can reverse diagonally park? Luv to see the parking tickets for this boondoogle.

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  52. Reverse diagonal parking has a few unintented consequences that usually are not discussed because planners consider reverse diagonal parking to be "state of the art" for the 21st century. Drivers have a tendency to pull into traffic at higher speeds when facing forward and the back-in parking sprays engine exhaust on sidewalk diners, not a small concern in Leucadia. Glenwood Springs, Colorado got rid of theirs after outraged merchants raised hell and Santa Clarita, CA got rid of theirs, too. Just as an aside, Frank Lloyd Wright designed fabulous homes that were for the most part uncomfortable to live in. Let's hope our planners are more concerned with livability than their own legacy.

    Fred is right-on about the east side of the highway - lots of potential parking.

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  53. Who controls NCTD? How can they get away with being such a bad neighbor? I wish they would curb their noise and curb their dust.

    8:55 - Thanks for getting the ball rolling. I did not have Asthma before I moved to Leucadia.

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  54. PS

    Please see:
    http://www.arb.ca.gov
    /cap
    /handbooks
    /fugitivedust_large.pdf

    "When Airborne PM Crosses the Property Line and enough neighbors complain, the owner is subject to H&SC Section 41700 (the Nuisance Law)."

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  55. If Encinitas is to take on NCTD for all it's sins against Leucadia we need a representative to the NCTD Board who is not afraid to ruffle feathers. That person is Bob Nanninga.

    Nanninga is the choice for Leucadia!

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  56. In response to the 11:20 and 11:50 posts- Sounds like the classic illogical Lynn B.-

    Bashing supposed high prices consultants, roundabouts, stocks, and anonymous postings (of course anonymously), and freaking out against something which is not currently in her own little world (reverse angled parking).


    Lynn- you’re classically the old female dog (bitch) that will not learn new tricks.

    Response to your bashings-

    The consultants – In my opinion are worth the money for the value they bring to the project;

    roundabouts- are proven safer (we have 3 and there are thousands throughout the world and hundreds more planned throughout the US to replace underperforming signals) At least 70 % of the people love them. It’s the 30% of people in the world that fear change and need the government to tell them what do 100% of the time that don’t like them. I know your thoughts---Red- Stop Green- Go. I don’t want to have to look for myself. Right Lynn?

    I think the added bonus of the roundabouts is they are netting all the drunks that should not be driving and are saving the innocent from these totally wasted drivers.

    Stock- no comment. We all know what he’s about.

    Reverse Angle parking- Google it, go look at it behind the Longs in Solana Beach on Hwy 101, Go Park in it, it works great. Three of the hundreds are posted below;

    The first one is great and shows reverse angle parking installed next to a one lane in each direction configuration.

    http://lda.ucdavis.edu/LDA191/Course%20Handouts%20&%20Readings/05-Back_in_Diagonal_Parking.pdf


    http://www.slcgov.com/transportation/Parking/RAP.htm

    http://www.outreach.psu.edu/programs/tesc2005/images/1d_nawn.pdf


    Lynn or wantabe Lynn- Geeze you are so resistant to change its amazing you can get out of bed in the morning. I think Leucadia would be better off if you didn’t.

    Carry on nay sayer. Thankfully there are more people in our community that want to better the quality of life and not keep it crappy and unsafe like you.

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  57. MAYOR AND CITY MANAGER POWER GRAB is on the Council agenda tomorrow. Now, official letters to state or federal agencies go to the council and public for approval. The proposed change would let staff write the letter and the Mayor, Deputy Mayor, or City Manager sign in the back room. Rest of Council and the citizens would be cut out of any decision making on certain policies. The MAYOR OR CITY MANAGER could send letters supporting taxing, increasing fees, in the name of the residents of Encinitas. It's agenda item #14, second to the last discussion report.

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  58. 8:24 - what is up with you? Can't you post anything without attacking Lynn. Your posts are always identifiable. It must be hard to be an anon when you know it all.

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  59. 6:07

    Good point about exhaust fumes at outdoor diners. Definately an aspect to adjust for the Streetscape (if it's not already in stone).

    I remember lighting up Shermans with two friends of mine in the indoor patio at Keno's back in the 70's and the people at the next table complained. We thought "boy, they have some nerve". How could we be so oblivious to the fact that a lot of people don't like smoke in their face while they're eating? I finally grew up. Now I just smoke menthols inside Keno's.
    Not.

    Years ago, Encinitas spent about 50K changing the street lights at D and E streets on 101 by putting green arrows for left turn lanes. The people at Georges Cafe freaked out as it backed idling cars up past their restaurant drowning them with exhaust. The city quickly put the lights back the way they were.

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  60. As a resident of Cardiff, I say "let's keep Leucadia funkie" - spend the money in the other areas of the city...

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  61. As a resident of Ol Encinitas, I say Keep Leucadia Crappy. It makes are street look that much nicer.

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  62. "are street"?

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  63. I'm all for sprucing up Leucadia but to do it right you need to save the old growth trees. The trees are the starting point. Next you add the traffic calming the sidewalks and of course more trees. Mixing the old with the new will preserve the Historic look of Leucadia eclectic not crappy.

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  64. Save the trees that will be alive to enjoy 5 to 10 years or more of the new streetscape.
    To alter good improvement plans to accomadate trees at the end of their life span may not be the best long range plan.
    I am sure there is a way to accomplish saving trees that have a long life expectancy and design certain areas different than areas that have trees that are close to their life expectency.
    The Eucs survive many more years in areas like Australia and areas that are not as stressful as a life of salt air and exhaust fumes.
    Or so I am told by professionals in the field.

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  65. Or by getting hit by drunks.

    Prevent drunks from killing people, install roundabouts.

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  66. Check out http://www.voteformaggie.com

    Leucadians should ask all the incumbants where they stand on the removal of the 101 tree canopy.

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  67. Amanda- I went to your web page suggestion, it's all a pack of lies!! Lies, Lies and more LIES!!!

    Don't believe these LIES!!!
    Don't re-elect the LIAR!!!

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  68. The majority of the trees are a long way from the end of their life span. It's easy to plan around them the plan is on paper use the eraser. Removing trees for parking spaces is redevelopment we were looking for street-scape improvements.

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  69. I will be voting for Maggie, Jim and Jerome. Their votes on most issues are the same - if you don't believe me, check out their voting records.

    With that said, I actually like how they vote on most of the issues...

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  70. the planning commission just rubber stamped the Hall property proposal, adopting the through alternative on McKinnon. Their discussion lasted over 4 hours, and at the end, they didn't even know what their powers were. OFF WITH THEIR HEADS!

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  71. Our attorneys are on this. It will not be built for another 10 years plus guaranteed. There are so many issues with the EIR and the lowering of adjacent property values, our attorneys will have a field day with this one.

    If the City was smart (which we know its not), they would have arbitrated the issue as attempted by the scale down the park group.

    Now its going to be hung up in courts for 10 years plus.

    This is a huge debacle of the City Council attempting to fund a regional park at the expense of Encinitians. Bye Bye Regional Sports Complex.... Not is my lifetime

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  72. Just curious - why aren't schoolyards used more often for organized sports after school hours? Paul Ecke Central sits empty part of the day, parking already exists... Couldn't the leagues pay a fee to help maintain the grass, etc.? Seems like this would help the schools' budgets. Sometimes the best solution is the easiest. Why don't communities fully use the facilities that already exist? Every neighborhood has a school...

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  73. So what's the story on the park?
    Are we being hoodwinked?

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  74. Plenty of school's use their fields as joint use parks.

    The organized clubs just want a huge tourny sports complex.

    How many evening ocean/sunset views will be destroyed by the 90 light poles?

    I don't think the EIR addressed that issue?

    This park is going to consume massive legal costs for the City. Millions wasted, and it wont be built for the next 20 years.

    Moth ball the project and focus on greater needs.

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  75. Plenty of school's use their fields as joint use parks.

    The organized clubs just want a huge tourny sports complex.

    How many evening ocean/sunset views will be destroyed by the 90 light poles?

    I don't think the EIR addressed that issue?

    This park is going to consume massive legal costs for the City. Millions wasted, and it wont be built for the next 20 years.

    Moth ball the project and focus on greater needs.

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  76. Was this plan what was asked for by the citizens or did the soccer people, many from Carlsbad, do the hoodwinking?

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  77. Just another example of how the incumbants have failed the residents of Encinitas.

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  78. Back to the street-scape there's no need to alter the plans to save the trees the plans haven't been drawn.What we've been looking at are conceptual drawings plenty of time to adjust to the peoples will. One has to remember Peltz is trying to sell this job to the city we don't have to buy it till we get what we want.

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  79. I just read the NC Times. The Planning Com didn't rubber stamp anything.

    As for the trees and the Streetscape, I am cautious. I am always cautious when we have "feel good" workshops, cute powere point presentations and then we're told that nothing can be done as descibed. SOS.

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  80. O Spell Check! Where art Thou?

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  81. The dark side of community activists is that a small group of30 people (most with out kids) can stop a City Park complex for their own personal gain.

    The current plan is not a regional sports complex - it has only 5 fields.

    The City has already added a lot more buffer to the original plan. There has been compromise - now it is time to build!

    The access issue is real, but the fear mongering by the small group of neighbors is sad for the current crop of kids who will grow up with out enough ball fields. Hey, I guess they can just watch TV and play video games - who needs exercise?

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  82. Thank you Maggie!

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  83. 2:51

    The dark side of sports park proponants is that there is big money potential pushing it's development here in Encinitas - and a portion of that push is from the abundance of parents of children from Carlsbad who need more fields. If worse comes to worse, let your kids know there's a 6 mile recreational beach on the west edge of town that can wear them out every day for free. Unless you live in Carlsbad. I think it's 10 miles of coastline there. I just hope they don't start lighting the beach at night if that catches on.

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  84. Lighting the beaches how cool that would be surfing all night surfing all day sounds like a Beach Boys tune.

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  85. OK, then I propose we light the beaches, but all the lights will be in the water lighting up the reefs and waves. The beaches could be lit with tiki torches and bar-b-ques. Sounds like Gidget goes to Heaven.

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  86. 2:15

    if you want to be such a responsible parent, unplug the computer and make your kids do something, like mowing the lawn or chores around the house. Work in a garden. Volunteer their time to help old people or people in need.

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  87. 2:51 - the opposition to the sports complex consists of Encinitas residents. Look at the City's website, they have now posted the written public comments to the planning commission. The Encinitas Soccer League organized a petition and letter campaign, generating 567 letters supporting the park as proposed. Although both the letter and the petition stated the person signing was a "resident" of Encinitas, approximately almost half were signatures by people who lived in Carlsbad, Escondido, Oceanside, Solana Beach, etc. Who is being hoodwinked now!

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  88. I propose a new Statue of Liberty for the park since Encinitas will be host to the masses. "Give us your retched refuse from your Teams with shores like Solana Beach, Carlsbad, Oside etc." or that fat lady from Poltergeist sayin:
    "Cross over children, all are welcome!"

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  89. Where is the big money involved in the backing of the park? I hear that claim often, yet cannot find any backing for it. If the fear is monthly concerts, or sports tournaments, the simpler solution is to deny the application of said events. Don't limit the initial design now for an easily solved solution later.

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  90. 10:58 -- same mantra different song. Big money is special interest groups. Rotary Club of Encinitas -- biggest money making event is their soccer tournament (no need to live in Encinitas to play); ESL - Encinitas Soccer League -- biggest money making event, the tournys, no need to live in Encinitas to play. The most vocal (or should I quote verbatim from the email posted to the City website "viral" proponents) the ESL -- Encinitas Soccer League. Name only, not solely affliated with the City of Encinitas. Look at the City website for those who posted in favor petitions and letters. Is this about our local kids, or about organized sports on our dime?

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  91. 2:51

    Just when you think things are looking bad, a solution presents itself. Your kids in Carlsbad can live a longer, healthier life by shutting in, warming up the TV and video games while the foolish tots play with West Nile Virus infected mosquitos next to ponds in Encinitas.

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