Comments on Leucadia Blog: Beacon's Beach Trail Access

Eat shit, and live, Roadside Park Bum! Don't have ...

2006-11-17T04:52:00.000-08:00

Eat shit, and live, Roadside Park Bum! Don't have the balls to dialouge under you given name? Perhaps it is this lack of pride and integrity that prompts you to be a roadside bum. And as for your mentioning my tattoos, jealous much?

If J.P. said the city should put in bathrooms you ...

2006-11-16T09:05:00.000-08:00

If J.P. said the city should put in bathrooms you would attack him by saying there is not enough money in the city budget.

IT'S A QUESTION OF SAFETY!!!Either make it safe or...

2006-11-16T08:54:00.000-08:00

IT'S A QUESTION OF SAFETY!!!

Either make it safe or SHUT IT DOWN!!! CLOSE BEACONS completely!!
And put in some BATHROOMS!!!
Not porti potties J.P.!!! BATHROOMS!!!!

BOB, thanks for doing nothing to help the ocean enviroment at Leucadia for the past 8 years, you are a joke of a commissioner!! Save the enviroment, but it's OK to piss and shit in the ocean, 'cause we don't have bathrooms!!! Plenty of people on this blog have more sense then you will ever have, but they don't have the tattoos!! Go back to Vista and "save" yourself!!!

It's called an ecosystem, beachbluff, kelp, ocean, shit and piss!!

Staggering down the 101 wishing we had a new P&R commissioner for Leucadia. It's your RSPB!!

Gil, when you say "you can't cast over a seawall",...

2006-11-15T20:42:00.000-08:00

Gil, when you say "you can't cast over a seawall", I wonder if you might be misinformed about what exactly is being proposed. My understanding is that in order to do something about the top of the bluff, where it is steep and in danger of failing, there must be some stability at the bottom of the bluff. I seriously doubt that what is being proposed will be in your way when you surf fish off of the Leucadia coast.

Sorry to hijack your thread here, but wanted all t...

2006-11-15T18:54:00.000-08:00

Sorry to hijack your thread here, but wanted all to know that the story poles for the Encinitas Artists Lofts (Encinitas Blvd. & 101) will be coming down in a few days. Please have a look if you have not as yet.

Chicken Little, get your head out of the sand. We...

2006-11-15T15:08:00.000-08:00

Chicken Little, get your head out of the sand. We don't have to speed up the problems, make matters worse, by destroying our coastline, cutting the Kelp, building walls to protect the homes that are starting to slide down the bluffs.

You go kill yourself if you want to; we will stand and try to work for positive change.

Global warming is coming. Kill yourself now.

2006-11-15T15:06:00.000-08:00

Global warming is coming. Kill yourself now.

Yes, the kelp should not be cut, illegaly. There ...

2006-11-15T15:05:00.000-08:00

Yes, the kelp should not be cut, illegaly. There should have been an EIR on that, too, seems to me. City just goes charging ahead without really caring about the environmental consequences, or following the letter of the environmental laws.

We do love our beaches; that's why we DON'T want a stinking sea wall.

We agree: just say no on this one.

Most people abhor walls. The grant should go to h...

2006-11-15T15:03:00.000-08:00

Most people abhor walls. The grant should go to help maintain and stabalize the trail, not to put up more walls on our beach.

And it sounds like the City is more than matching the money if the Sea Wall is to be built at $5 million. If the City has to match the grant money, then it should spend it on trail repair, and putting a bathroom up top, maybe a shower, moving the parking sounds ok, but where?

People on Neptune aren't going to want to lose their homes; I know that. Will this lead to eminent domain? Some of those homes that are literally collapsing, patios falling down the cliff, should be condemned, and the lots should be reserved for some parking.

I think the money from the grant should be spent o...

2006-11-15T15:02:00.001-08:00

I think the money from the grant should be spent on sand replenishment and trail repair, as needed. The seawall idea sucks. The environmental impact of that is to eliminate part of our beach, and also, to make the problem worse, as far as bluff errosion where the wall stops.

There are already plenty of walls between Stonesteps and Beacons. More walls take away from beach access, because we have narrow beaches, anyway. This should be considered re the EIR.

I think the money from the grant should be spent o...

2006-11-15T15:02:00.000-08:00

To Eric: When the kelp beds are thick and healthy ...

2006-11-15T14:46:00.000-08:00

To Eric: When the kelp beds are thick and healthy there is noticably less wind when you are standing at the top of the cliff. As is (no kelp beds) you can actually observe the bluffs take a beating on windy days.

The kelp beds are crucial to north county. They provide habitat for young fish, they clean up the surf and they protect the bluffs from wind. For years and years you could surf clean waves in north county all day long while outside the kelp beds it was whitecapping.

I've read through this entire thread and need to o...

2006-11-15T14:14:00.000-08:00

I've read through this entire thread and need to offer some perspective. I've read an awful lot of opinions about what we should do or not do. Let's be clear here.

A 2.8 million dollar grant was given to the City of Encinitas by the California Dept. of Parks and Rec. The money is being spent on a project that is already designed, and an EIR prepared for that project. No one is asking the public what they want here. The city is only asking you to comment on the EIR that has been prepared.

Beacons has a long history of bluff instability and is a very popular public resource. As such, a grant was written to seek money to solve that specific problem.

The City is not soliciting your input on the project, but soliciting your input on the impacts of their project.

End of story.

It's called an ecosystem. Beach bluff, kelp, ocean...

2006-11-15T14:00:00.000-08:00

It's called an ecosystem. Beach bluff, kelp, ocean.

I agree with a sand replenishment program to migig...

2006-11-15T13:52:00.000-08:00

I agree with a sand replenishment program to migigate the damage caused by us humans. Spend the money budgeted for seawalls on Sand. Build the rest of improvements without a wall.

Kelp forests damper wave action when left uncut. A...

2006-11-15T13:27:00.000-08:00

Kelp forests damper wave action when left uncut. A blanket of kelp is useful during storm events.

What the hey, might as well post on this just to g...

2006-11-15T12:06:00.000-08:00

What the hey, might as well post on this just to give some of the "seawall" supporters another target. I hate seawalls. The ocean is relentless and unpredictable. To be effective for everyone we would have to have a continuous wall along our coast. Even then with global warming and the rise in mean high tide line the walls will fail. You can't fool mother nature.

There will always be access to a good break, it may not be access for the faint of heart, but surfers will find a way, always have. Seawalls primarily protect whats on the bluff.

Some day the bluffs will fail, maybe not in my time but someday.

How far back will they fail. If an earthquake is part of the catalyst, probably to the weakest point. The train tracks sounds about right to me in a lot of areas. That would eliminate the train whistle and idiots hit by trains for awhile and make Vulcan desireable ocean front property.

Sand, sand, sand. This helps to lessen the effect of cobbles being hurled against the base of the bluff in severe storms. Gives kelp a base to establish itself. Fix the trail, forget the seawalls.

In addition, I can't cast over a seawall.

Safe access means more surfers.

2006-11-15T10:38:00.000-08:00

Safe access means more surfers.

I used to be a dues paying member of the Surfrider...

2006-11-15T10:33:00.000-08:00

I used to be a dues paying member of the Surfrider Foundation before I started attending some meetings.

I quickly found out that they are both inflexible and for sale. Remember that they supported prop A even though the Ecke piece is a few miles from the water. They loved prop C without understanding what a boondogle it was.

If a small wall would improve safety and access to me and my pals screw the group and stop paying dues like I did.

Rochelle great post. I can see a nuc plant instead...

2006-11-15T10:04:00.001-08:00

Rochelle great post. I can see a nuc plant instead of the hotel at La Costa and 101. We could use the flood waters from Leucadia to cool the process.

This would give a great target for my activities here in Leucadia. I wouldn't have to travel so far to work.

Zeolots are people that don't think about things, ...

2006-11-15T10:04:00.000-08:00

Zeolots are people that don't think about things, they just have a "pat answer". One thing that makes JP special is that he can see things on their own merits, rather than just give the "standard answer" - we don't like seawalls.

I'm with surfrider on this one. Seawalls should be...

2006-11-15T10:02:00.000-08:00

I'm with surfrider on this one. Seawalls should be banned. They don't do anything but create an unnatural flow of sand.

Dams should be removed from rivers. We can generate all the power we need from nuclear energy. If Jimmy Carter had not banned the reprocessing of spent nuclear rods, like the rest of the world does, nuclear energy wouldn't be a problem for us.

Kelp. The KELP blocked the bluffs from the wind?I'...

2006-11-15T10:01:00.000-08:00

Kelp. The KELP blocked the bluffs from the wind?

I'm thinking...no.

The blocked the bluff from the wind?Huh?

2006-11-15T10:00:00.000-08:00

The blocked the bluff from the wind?

Huh?

You know what effects bluff failure? The wind.When...

2006-11-15T09:59:00.000-08:00

You know what effects bluff failure? The wind.
When Beacon's had nice thick kelp beds not only did the surf stay glassy all day but the cliffs were protected from the wind. The kelp beds are still trying to recover from the brutal chopping they took from that last (and possibly illegal) midnight run by the the kelp cutter.